I think we can at least agree that Mr. President George "dubb-ya" played a significant role in that, and everyone else after the fact is still trying to pick up all the pieces from the mess he had a huge hand in creating.
It goes all the way back to his father, but Clinton and Obama have been even worse. None of them have defended our border, constitution, culture, economy, and most importantly, people. Enough with career politicians. 90% of them are corrupt, elitist trash.
I agree with what you guys are saying (as in, NASA is more important than helping turn Syria into rubble), but to be fair, a lot of technology also comes from expensive military-related undertakings. Especially during war time (or even cold war time, lots of cool stuff was developed back then too).
Maybe I'm being misunderstood here. I support increased funding of our military, but we never should have gone into the Middle East in 2003, and we shouldn't go back now. Sending those rebels (who are probably part of ISIS) weapons was an absolute mistake, just like when we left the incompetent Iraqis all those (((Abrams)))' and other vehicles and weapons when we pulled out. Fuck Syria, they can kill each other for another 50 years for all I care, and Russia can do what they like there.
Well I agree with all that (especially that it all was re-kicked off in 2003), but didn't wanna say since I thought you would disagree with it sounding a bit "lefty". ;-)
Also, last time I brought this up, someone who obviously worked in some sort of intelligence job bounced in and owned me. :sad:
One of the things I like about Trump is that he says he kind of agrees with us on this issue too (one of the other things I also like is what you touched on, he isn't a "career politician", he's a businessman so probably has a lot more real world experience than most senior political figures).
But Syria didn't happen by accident, I'm not sure where the truth and conspiracy lines sit, but quite a lot of the conspiracies are believable and I personally believe we (the West) have had a lot to do with it. Granted I'm a bit leftist, but to me the humanitarian side is the worst, we clandestinely sneaked in and started helping organise a revolution. Only Assad held on for a lot longer than they thought he would. But his country was in disarray. This helped ISIS come in (and IMO we've had a hand in them, too, some of ISIS came from the remains of Iraq.*) and take advantage, then the Russians come along (though at least they were invited!) and shit REALLY kicks off. Populace have enough, jump on boats to the EU. All our messing about has caused 1m+ people to have to get the fuck out of their own country. To be honest I think Europe and the UK deserve it, if they hadn't meddled in the Middle East, they'd not have to deal with so many pissed off Muslims on their doorsteps.
Also the way we turn a blind eye to Turkey and Saudi "apparently" giving help to ISIS as well, so much corruption and hypocrisy, and in mainstream media they tell it to us with such blatant falseness.
You know it's a twisted set of events when Hezbollah and the Russians are pretty much the good guys! Also, ISIS must be pretty scummy if even Hezbollah would rather help the leader of the country than help ISIS! (though Syria does "support" Hezbollah, which may be the reason they wanted rid of Assad so much?)
* The Iraqi army was legendary for its crapness, with soldiers surrendering when US forces came along. How is it when they turn into religious nutters sleeping in caves, they become so unafraid of the West all of a sudden?!