New code to decrease clipping when using widescreen:

Shenmue v1.001 (2000)(Sega)(PAL)(M4)

021EF370---7C1EF400

Big thanks to user Esppiral http://assemblergames.com/l/threads/widescreen-hacks.58620/page-18

edit: Just tested on my dreamcast. The character clipping is gone. The enviroment clipping is decreased by 60-70% I would say.

http://i.imgur.com/LYwwQGh.png

also you do realize those mirrors you showed are fan made right!?

Fanmade for what kind of purpose? To sell them and/or make money of it? No, it was a gift for Yu-San (AFAIK):

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/shenmue/images/9/9e/Shenmue_mirrors_.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140123111657

That's complete bullshit i only used the photos as reference! i dont even know how to rip models from the game at all... what is wrong with everyone? the only reason it has the polygonal edges is because i did not want these high poly because my 3d program i use to load them into for the 3d print works better when the poly count is low...

I do believe you that you modelled the mirrors because the polycount of your mirrors is not the same compared to the mirrors from the game. However the trademark thing remains as an issue. You can't just use the design of nike shoes as reference and change a few small things which only can be seen by more detailed analyse.

i am doing nothing illegal

So you are 100% sure you make nothing illegal here? Please do me a favour and contact Sega or Yus-team and ask them. Its a one thing to create fan made stuff for yourself another to sell that stuff and make money of it.

they were 100% created by me, they belong to me, and are unique to me as a modeler, i did every process started with a cylinder extruded the shapes and made it all watertight then triangulated every last damn polygon on these models nothing was from a game or anyone else...

the files are mine i created them

Same goes for fake shoes which are forbidden on the market. People who creates fake shoes are using the original shoes as reference as you use the original mirrors as reference.
Copryright and Trademarks exists for reason. What do you think what will happen if everyone will start making those kind of shoes and selling them on ebay?

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_1100/1_bdfmdi.jpg

"Keep friends, those you love, close to you"

I don't get it. Kickstarter ? Do you have the rights? I this supported by Sega?

Only 8 months until release and we still have not seen ryos final face or any new version of his face after e3 ( not counting the photshoped face on a few screenshots). I am 100 % sure the game we be delayed! I think by the end of 2018.

We should hope they will release the game in first place instead of hoping it will be released in 8 months. Thats my only concern.
I don't get the focus on Ryo's face as a barometer for when the game might launch.


Because Ryo is the main character and after 1,5 years not knowing how his face looks and how its animated its IMO not a good sign. ...but ryos face is only one thing of the whole picture. I also don't understand why many fans accepting photoshoped screenshots that easily? "Yeah its just a placeholder"...for 1,5 years placeholder?
Back to topic: What we got so far?

- Some early footage without any ingame gameplay mechanics
- Some screenshots of photohoped Ryos face and other scenes
- Some information through the kickstarter updates

No real ingame gameplay and no new trailer!..only 8 months before release! Well, I try to look on the whole situation more realistic and in my view it doesn't look good for a release by the end of 2017. Lets wait and see what we get at E3.

Well, here it is.gif

After all the tiny information we got in the last two years, no real gameplay and the not finished face of ryo I am not really suprised. I think we should be more realistic about the development of the game in the future and stop dreaming otherwise you will be disappointed over and over again.
As I said before a release in 2017 is absolutely unrealistic - by the end 2018 will be more realistic right now BUT this could also mean that a new Playstation could be announced or even released which could kill the hype of the shenmue 3 :(

Bring up other games all you like, but this is Shenmue's aesthetic and arguably always has been.
I don't even know why you're here if you want Shenmue to be Yakuza that bad.


Wow. Just wow...Just put your own "fact" and question the user for beeing here....this is not the right way to react to critism or other opinions. He does not want Shenmue be Yakuza. He wants the character style of Yakuza and I do agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjJpjUmc-2M


This thumbnail shows perfectly whats wrong with this character design IMO. The completely over exaggerated face features except the nose and ears:

- jaw
- joker mouth
- cheekbones
- whats wrong with the eyes?
- why are the eyelashes missing?
- what about the feminin eyebrows and the curve?

..also the lack of defined textures and the lighting makes the character doesn't look real. He looks like an action figure.
Don't get me wrong: I know Shenmue 1 & 2 had some freaky characters like chai but even they look more natural.
I have just made a few changes to his face in 5minutes and this is how he looks:

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170531/tt7ceql5.jpg

Original:
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170531/2dpwigy9.jpg

I really hope this is by FAR not the final design because after two years to see this kind of character design is disappointing for me :(

I made the decision to archive my collection via blog and here it is:

http://collectors-edition-shelf.blogspot.de/

This is just one part of my collection. Some cool stuff still to come :v: I will add new editions by the time. In the dreamcast section you will also find some shenmue promo & merchandise stuff :)

Got the statue today Number 249/250 :D Its still in stock - the exclusive one. http://www.first4figures.com/collectibles/sega-all-stars/lan-di-exclusive.html

Lan Di Exclusive Statue FIRST4FIGURES

more photos: http://collectors-edition-shelf.blogspot.de/2017/06/lan-di-exclusive-statue-first4figures.html

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SOBVuIj5vb0/WTmvWotWrVI/AAAAAAAAAjw/xzp0cnXrlvccHAawf7N3L-CGaVNskEySACLcB/s640/DSCN3499.JPG
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uF4ak14Xb1M/WTmvZnrK5lI/AAAAAAAAAj4/_C6ueDX9PY0ni0wDp2bXsgL6uldORWKGgCLcB/s640/DSCN3505.JPG

Well, there it is. gif
No offence but I think its time to see the project as realistic as possible and not always positive, when the signs (no gameplay. no ryos face, etc) are not good.
Anyway good decision I guess but also some worries. I hope the 6mill+ are enough for 3 years development for this kind of a game.

@Tortu_genial

Drake got older but they did not changed his face features like the eyes of shenhua.

Made some quick tweeks on Shenhua..still not perfect...

Made a second attempt spending more time on ryos face. I think the eyes (the shadow around the eyes which makes him look more western than asian), cheeks and the skin tone is the main reason why ryo looks off. If you compare these two pics you will realize how bad the original Ryo on the right looks like...

https://img1.picload.org/image/rwlwwcol/ryo2.png

I don't think the whole point of this was to see who's better at what here, but rather to highlight the direction and progress that the developers are making at this time. Doesn't really matter who's better anyway, since it's ultimately not our vision.

Agree!

As a kid, I always wanted the CG-model.That being said, I think Spaghetti's alterations to the current model
I am fine with that but there many CGI models afaik which all clearly show asian eyes features compared to current shenmue 3 ryo model.
I made an overview of all Ryos so far :mrgreen:

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170820/5setev8f.png

I honestly prefer the ingame or passport Ryo. Here is an screenshot from Esppiral:

http://i.imgur.com/4OUmXyj.jpg

Complaints, for example, about his eyes are kind of redundant when you consider that 3D graphics capability has gotten to the point where modellers can make Ryo's eyes look like they would if actually sitting inside an eye socket
(causing the "bags", or more accurately the skin fold of the lower eyelid)


You can still make Ryo's eyes look like they would if actually sitting inside an eye socket but without loosing the asian look (Yakuza!). Ryo is not a guy with the typical japanese features but you can definitly see that he is asian not indian or fillipino. So its is a question of (bad) design and not "3D graphics capability".
Also in Dreamcast era it would possible use skin fold of the lower eyelid for characters by using textures. For exmaple chai: (who do not look chinese to me)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DeuW0jHS9Z8/hqdefault.jpg

..but they didn't use a fold of the lower eyelid on Ryo. Why? Because most of japanese/korean/chinese does not have these lower eyelid (or much smaller/less significant) fold in case the face is in a neutral position: (I am not refering to the eyebags!):

http://www.asianscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/bfi_thumb/Chinese-Eyes-Move-Faster-2wiij8l2fg1chlmvmb4t8g.jpg

The lower eye lid does not stand out that strong. Also the transition between the lower eyelid and the skin is more smoth compared to western or people from india.

The point is, just because something may make the character "more Asian", that's not necessarily in-keeping with the character design

Its the combination of missing some of the significant Ryos face features and don't fit the race. Original Ryo is not the typical asian guy (as you mentioned) but he still looks on the picture and your shenmue 1 promo pic more asian compared to shenmue 3 ryo.
Its not enough splitting ryos face in only two parts. You need to take a closer look on his face features to see why they don't fit from his original face:

Some of these ryos shenmue 1,2 and 3 features which should be stay the same like the nose, eyes, skin or forehead does not look the same:

1. Forehead (Hairline): Looks on original Ryo more smother and wider.

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170820/eukr88t6.png

2. Nose: cleary difference form of the nose trils:
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170820/rlpyjy56.png

3. Lips: Small detail but the upperlip is thiner:
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170820/mxp4gmle.png

4. Jaw: Different jawline but this could be also due to lower poly from the dreamcast version.

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170820/7xlyu7sm.jpg

Lets move to the main reason why ryo does not look asian ot at least mixed:

1. Skin color fits more of an indian/fillipino guy.
2. The eyes:

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170821/g6plrxh4.png

I hope you can clearly see the difference? ;) As mentioned above the asian/japanese eyes have rarely a lower eye lid fold and more smother transition to the lower lid. Also the lower lid does not stand out this strong on asian eyes. When you compare my Ryo (or the promo Ryo from your pic) you will see that his upper eye lid fold is much lower compared to shenmue 3.
When we take a closer look at the people from india or pakistan you will see many of these features:

http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170820/rg24sk63.png

- lower eye lid stands more out
- fold of the lower eyelid
- and most important dark circles around and under the eyes which are more common in india compared to the western world or asia.

The form of the shenmue 3 ryos eyes does indeed look more asian but overall they don't look asian (or like ryos eyes) to me because of the combination above.

Can we just discuss instead of calling user "haters" or "fanboys" I am so sick of this name calling and childish behavour. As long the user brings his opinion with arguments to the table which the first post does try at least to response in a respectful, factual way and start a discussion. At the end its one opinion of many...so you can agree or disagree..

https://prtimes.jp/i/5397/802/resize/d5397-802-658338-3.jpg
https://www.segalization.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Yakuza-Kiwami-Comparison.jpg

Keeping characters original (asian) look with some small tweeks (nose) AND also using new 3D technologys. Looks like some other developers are able to do it... :-k

This whole "I know better" attitude that some of you seem to have actually makes me sick. Id love it for someone to walk into your job that you have been doing, by someone with absolutely zero experience, and say no you are doing it wrong, do it this way instead. Then have another few hundred coming behind them to tell you how to do it a little differently again. Thank god backers are backers only.

Its not about the job - its about the product. The customer have the right to like it or dislike it. He has also the right to express his opinion - no matter how qualified the producer is.
The producer need to hit the nail in the middle to make most of the fans happy. There will be always different opinions. The problem is some fans are getting offended when someone critize the work (using arguments) of his guru and yes I do see the problem also here!

I do I agree that we should keep in mind that the models are not final and Shenmue 3 is Kickstarter compain with limited budget.

Seriously, the types of Photoshop "improvements" being posted are so minute, subjective, and arbitrary. And some of them are presented with an almost comical air of certainty that their fan art is the superior, ideal visualization. Is this what this forum is going to be like for the next year? I guess it's fine as a hobby, but does anyone believe YsNet staffers are over there saying, "We haven't got it quite right... we'd better trawl the fan forums for guides."

So in your opinion Yus Team should/will not listen to any die hard shenmue fans feedback.
The thread called "New Ryo & Shenhua models from press release". No matter if Yus team is reading here or not - at the end of the day its a discussion about the official and fan made models of the characters. Lets not make a drama of it....

But NoConKid has professional-level skill as a 3D artist. YsNet isn't hiring Photoshop hobbyists.

So its not allowed to criticize or even pick fan made model over his? The only thing matter is the product - in this case the model. There are hundrets of fan made projects with stunning graphics...for example the Tomb Raider 2 Remake.

I remember back in 2017 we had a discussion here where some people tried to convince me that release date 2017 is still realistic even we had zero ingame footage except the e3 2015 trailer. I think its time to think realistic and not always positive...no matter what.