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Re: Batman 3

Big rant coming this way...

I only have one question. Where is Christopher Nolan? I'd like to know so I can ask him who the fuck he thinks he is, and who he thinks Batman is, because I thought he had an idea. Now, I know he hasn't. Fair enough, his brother and Goyer have a lot to answer for as well, but let's have a look at a few things...

First off, Gotham in Batman Begins was perfect. What seems to have been overlooked is the fact that Gotham is a character of it's own. This shone through in Batman Begins. Hell, it even did in Burton's Batman films and Batman Forever (to an extent) This was dropped in The Dark Knight. I was hoping because Nolan wanted it to be seen less as Batman's turf and more like the Joker's playground. I always had that belief, and I thought it worked. Now, you could argue that it was a more realistic and regular city in TDKR because it makes it seem more shocking that he's doing this to a real city, but I don't believe that. The transition from BB to TDK & TDKR was "Gotham City" to "Random city called Gotham" to, well, the same again.

Onto the characters. Bane was brilliant. Fucking fantastic. Until the painfully obvious twist that it's in fact Talia's who's behind it all. I know it wouldn't be obvious to someone who doesn't read the comics, but I feel offended that as a reader of Batman comics that I've essentially been ignored as far as the "audience" goes. I kinda feel cheated too. So, if it's Talia's plan n everything, then Bane has once again been relegated to intimidating thug. Not the mastermind he actually is. Thanks guys, loved that.

I've heard a lot of both negative and positive shit about Catwoman, and all I can say is that the performance was great. It's probably the most faithful adaptation of any of the characters in the Nolanverse, so I applaud that. She was, as Bruce Willis once famously said "...[she's] a fly in the ointment [...], a monkey in the wrench, a pain in the ass..." No doubt that she's the most spot-on adaptation of a character they've picked. Except for the fact that she wants out. Catwoman would never want out. What she does is simply too much fun for her.

I wasn't at all happy with Blake. Like Ramirez should have been Montoya, and the guy from LA Noire should've been Bullock, he should've been someone else. The Question, Tim Drake, anyone. Random character with a quite frankly silly reference to Robin thrown in? No thank you. He wasn't a character that was needed, wasn't at all relevant. Catwoman could easily have filled in the role of someone who cares about the orphans and keeps her ear to the streets, and he could've just been a detective working alongside Gordon. His little pep talk to Bruce was shite as well. Whilst JGL put in a good performance, Blake just wasn't a good character at all, and I've seen too many of the exact same character model in the comics. I mean, for fuck sake, it would've made so much sense for him to be that little kid from Begins, but just a random character they've decided is going to be the next Batman? That's just fucking laughable. Wouldn't have made the ending what it is you say? Don't get me started. Not yet.

It just seems that, amidst all Nolan's bitching about what he would and wouldn't do, he's just made himself look like a massive tit. He doesn't want to use villains that've already appeared in a Batman film? Did he miss Batman Returns and Batman & Robin? He also said he wouldn't want to over-saturate the film with villains like they did in Spider-Man 3 because of what it'd take away from the focus of the story and other characters. So, what, other minor characters are okay to steal precious screen time? The number of utterly useless characters was a sheer joke, and I again feel like I've been cheated. Cheated out of seeing the film that I went to see. I only hope that Nolan's involved in a potential sequel just for the sake of getting the cast back together. Other than that, I say good riddance.

Alfred's characterisation got ballsed up too. Yes, he left during the KnightFall saga, but he realised (thanks to a little help from Nightwing) that he had to come back, and was wrong to leave Bruce. The fact that he left and only came back for Bruce's memorial is a slap in the face of one of comic book's greatest characters and unsung heroes. Fox had a role just as small and insignificant too. His involvement almost seemed forced. I know that in certain ways he's needed, but it felt like he, Alfred, and even Gordon at times were an afterthought. Almost as if Nolan was essentially just doin his own film, and just using Batman characters to fill in roles.

Combining the Lazarus Pit and Santa Prisca Prison was a pretty decent idea, I'll give them that. I don't like the fact that they replaced Bane with Talia as the little kid who grew up in the prison though. Yes, it made sense that it was Talia. I'm not arsed that it was Talia. I'm more arsed about it not being Bane. If anything, it should've been a case of Bane not wanting her to succumb to the same fate that he did, so he climbed out of it with her holding onto his back. They just took so much away from Bane that it was almost heartbreaking.

The ending... The ending spat in the face of Batman. They thought they were wrapping up the legend of Batman in a satisfying way. Yes, it is a satisfying way to wrap up the legend of Batman, but it wasn't right. Not at all. He did three things. Three huge things, but is that seriously it? This film would've been a great conclusion if it was a fifth, sixth, ninth, or tenth film, whatever. A great way to end an illustrious career as a hero/saviour/whatever, but seriously? That's it? And the point has been made on several occasions that Bruce Wayne is Batman until he dies. Not retire. Neil Gaiman wrote it quite well. He isn't just going to retire and spend the rest of his days playing golf. Death is the only natural conclusion for him, and then somebody (Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, whichever) take over.

And how exactly do you expect to wrap up the (Bruce Wayne as) Batman legend without the Joker? Yes, Christopher, we all feel sorry for you that you lost a great friend in Heath Ledger. You think that we liked losing arguably one of, if not the best adaptation of the Joker? (I don't care what anyone says, Mark Hamill is good as the Joker, but Ledger took it to a whole other level) No, course we didn't, but it's something he needed to get over to give Batman a satisfying conclusion. Even if he was just let loose for the last half hour of the bomb's countdown to slow Batman down, he should've been there, and the fact that he wasn't just proves that the whole team behind the series lost their way.

The perfect solution to all the negativity would've been something Nolan didn't want. More films. Dent should've become Two-Face at the very end of TDK and carried over to a third film, as originally intended. Talia should've been introduced in the third film as a background character, to build up the grand reveal in the TDKR. You can't throw anyone off in the space of a film, it just doesn't work. Dick Grayson should've been involved, even if he was just Batman's eyes and ears on the streets. It should've been him to take over from Bruce in the end. Not some random arse character who's not even had any significant training outside the police academy. They just got so much shit wrong, and I blame us. The guys who praised BB & TDK. WB ended up putting too much faith in Nolan, almost as if he had free reign to do whatever he wanted.

Don't get me wrong, as far as films go, TDKR has a very good and very satisfying conclusion. But not for a Batman film. That ending would've worked well in a number of possible projects. Like I said though, it's almost as if Nolan had a film project in the works, and just applied Batman characters to it. Great, great ending. Wrong film. Besides that, it just reeked of the final episode of House.

I can't deny for a second though that I think the film was a clever mixture of The Dark Knight Returns, KnightFall, and No Man's Land. I thought it'd mainly be KnightFall, and I'm glad I was wrong. And the fanboy inside me couldn't help smiling this huge, cheesy grin when I saw Batman return in the first act. Actually, every time Batman was on screen, it was a great moment. I actually can't believe how well they did it, he had a hell of a lot more presence than he ever has done in any other film. Absolutely brilliant. Again though, as with every Batman film, he wasn't in it enough. It's almost as if people don't know how to make a film that focuses on Batman. Not Bruce Wayne, not the villains, not the supporting cast, I'm talking Batman.

The fight scenes also impressed me. I was very surprised that Nolan recognised that it's something he needed to work on (can't remember if it was Kenny, Joe Pesci, OL or Clint who mentioned how bad they were in the previous two) but I reckon he made up for it somewhat anyway. Loved how brutal Bane looked as well in the first fight with Batman. I woulda liked to have seen more damage on Bruce afterwards, that kinda disappointed me. The second fight didn't make much sense either. Bane almost seemed like he was pulling his punches. It would've made a hell of a lot more sense if they brought back the fear factor for Begins, set it at night, and Batman actually does put the fear of God into Bane through a mixture of his League of Shadows training and his old friends... Bats. Again, the fanboy inside me almost leapt for joy when the bats appeared as he crawled out of Santa Prisca, but I was hugely disappointed that they never expanded on the use of bats. Especially after how well they were used in BB, as they were completely absent from TDK. They shoulda used em more.

But yeah, there were plenty of absolutely brilliant moments in the film, and I wouldn't even consider calling it anything other than a really good film, but as the third Batman film in the Nolan series, it's shite. Like I said, it should've been Batman 5, 6, 9 or 10. The way I see it is that Begins was the best Batman film, TDK was the best film of the series, and TDKR as the best standalone film, whilst also being the worst in the series.

In conclusion, it would've been a brilliant ending to the Nolan series if more films preceded it, but they didn't, so as far as the over-arching story goes, the timing was woeful. It was rushed. Out of place. Whatever. It didn't work well like that. If you just ignore that though, and only take the in-film references into consideration, it was fucking fantastic, and a great amalgamation of three classic Batman stories.

So, whilst I'm distraught about the decision to cut everything so short in a manner such as this, I also come away from the film feeling that I got real value for money. Great film, but from the standpoint of a Batman fan(boy) and geek, totally and utterly wrong.

Rant over for now, but when I see it again, I'll probably have more to say. Oh, and somebody actually read this and reply to it, coz I've been typing this since I got back from the pictures and it'll otherwise seem like a massive waste of time.
by MiTT3NZ
Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:11 pm
 
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Re: You crazy sexy SOBS What is on your minds!

EDIT: After posting this I just read OL's news. Congratulations man!

I'm really excited. I've been back and forth with what I want to do in college but I always come back to one thing. I keep finding excuses for why I shouldn't but now I've decided to do what I love. So, I'm now officially a music theory and composition major with my instrument piano and a minor in guitar. Really excited for the future but I've got my work cut out for me. I must prepare to not have a social life at all for a while, haha.
by Thief
Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:19 pm
 
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Re: Have most of the forum members dissappeared?

So I sniffed this place out for a while and realised that things have changed.

There's less negativity than before. Less bitching, it seems. Think i'll stick around for a while.

I'm sure you've all missed me, fellas.
by Clint
Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:48 pm
 
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Re: Batman 3

^That's what pisses me off. So many people involved in the film were quoted saying it was a 'realistic' take on Batman. That's bullshit. It's hyper-realistic. A realistic Batman film would be interesting, but they just need to drop this whole angle of Batman being realistic. He isn't. Let the fantasy flow and there will be no shackles. Explain shit logically where you can, sure, but don't patronise us for fuck sake.
by MiTT3NZ
Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:55 am
 
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Re: Have most of the forum members dissappeared?

Just because I wanted to dance instead of playing Basketball.
by Riku Rose
Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:46 pm
 
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OL's Stag Do In Vegas

We are going to Vegas for OL's stag do.

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Myself, Spokane, Kenny and OL

Also Mr Chow will be Mittens and Black Doug Brothaman.
by Riku Rose
Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:39 pm
 
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Re: What movie are you watching right now?

Watch Hesher.
The little kid in it is kind of annoying, but JGL is awesome as the title character. Hilarious performance.
by OL
Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:13 pm
 
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Re: You crazy sexy SOBS What is on your minds!

Who Really Cares? wrote:Blew up my lawnmower today.


Yep, me too

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by Absentia
Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:54 pm
 
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Re: You crazy sexy SOBS What is on your minds!

Kenny wrote:I finally finished DEUX. For now.

It's got a more solid ending. At least when I came up with it and was writing it, it seemed solid. Now it's time to rewrite TECH, which is a fucking mammoth of a story compared to DEUX.

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by Bambi
Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:21 am
 
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Re: You crazy sexy SOBS What is on your minds!

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Hurt a bit more than the others for some reason. But glad its done, and will be my last for a while id say. Of course its a serpent dragon, the same as the Chiyou.
by Peter
Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:27 pm
 
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Re: So, Martin's Unbanned..

Kenny wrote:Now that you're back, I look forward to hear updates on things like your 64DD collection.


What kind of sick fucker cuts fat womens' tits off!?!
by MiTT3NZ
Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:59 pm
 
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Re: What movie are you watching right now?

Kenny wrote:The US one is just a shot for shot remake. So you're not missing much.


LITERALLY.

Michael Haneke is one of the greatest directors ever though, seriously. I love all of his work, and it makes perfect sense why he remade Funny Games.
by Joe Pesci
Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:36 am
 
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Re: I win I lose I win you win. I'm not Dave Chappelle

I'm happy for you gettin your disability benefits. Truly, I am. Just make sure it goes on real shit and not ultimate collectors editions of games. And I'd much rather you save that money you plan on spending on any of us and spend it on your mam instead.
by MiTT3NZ
Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:35 pm
 
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Re: So, Martin's Unbanned..

>-Just spreading the love=<
by Crimson Ryan
Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:20 pm
 
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Re: I win I lose I win you win. I'm not Dave Chappelle

I wasn't talking technology. I mean something real. Something proper. Clothes, furniture, taking her out for a nice dinner at a restaurant, the world isn't limited to pixels.
by MiTT3NZ
Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:00 pm
 
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Re: AVATARS AND SIGS

No offense guys but all of this is getting slightly pathetic. I guess things haven't really cooled down that much... As I said in another topic. It's like some bitterness hanging around which wasn't there before.
by ys
Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:08 pm
 
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Re: AVATARS AND SIGS

This better be the signature version of Photoshop Troll.
by Yama
Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:50 pm
 
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Re: You crazy sexy SOBS What is on your minds!

Having a good time at my internship. I make art assets and the time just fliiiiiiiiies by. Hopefully I can get a full time job out of this! :)
by Yukupo
Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:35 pm
 
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Re:

Bluecast wrote:I boycott the whole idea of saying "I'm leaving" I'm back"

Just freaking go and shut up and when ready come back and post as normal.

Otherwise it's lame. IMO


Fucking lol
by QWERTY
Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:58 am
 
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Re: You crazy sexy SOBS What is on your minds!

It's such a weird feeling looking at old posts of mine. I don't remember ever saying most of the things but they're there... so I guess I did. It's like looking at me... but a different me, since I can't recall ever saying most of it. Now I'm being redundant. Anyway...
by Thief
Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:52 am
 
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Re: Bays TMNT --- They come from space

The script leaked. I'm almost done reading it.

"Jesus fucking christ" is all I can really say. Paramount hated this script so much they ordered them to write another one which is what delayed the project in the first place.

When Hollywood thinks a script is pure trash you know things have hit rock bottom. The turtles to me were the best in the first film. No space aliens, no absurd technology. Just a film with a strong sense of family and occasionally a little darkness with fun along the way.
by Sonikku
Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:04 pm
 
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Re: Things That Made You Laugh Today

This homeless guy begging for change. He didn't even have any legs!!

On that topic, I was at a friend's place the other night. He has a GF who is fit, but thick as fuck, and she was talking about how she was disappointed that the paralympics didn't have a high-dive event where they launched themselves from the tall platform in their wheelchairs, running them off the edge. :lol: It was pretty horrible, but I laughed heartily!
by St. Elmo's Fire
Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:27 pm
 
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Re: Deletion/Moving of the Junk forum

I never understood why people care about post counts.
by MiTT3NZ
Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:56 pm
 
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Re: What TV Series Are You Watching

LOST went seriously shit after series 3. Damon Lindelof is a fucking wank writer, look at the total clusterfuck he made of Prometheus. The Sopranos and Breaking Bad remain the best TV I've ever watched. LOST series 4 - 6 can eat a dick. Jacob was a faggot. Yeah. Happy Sunday, bitches.
by QWERTY
Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:23 am
 
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Re: What TV Series Are You Watching

Just caught up on Breaking Bad. The last 8 episodes are going to be epic.
by Riku Rose
Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:06 pm
 
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Re: What TV Series Are You Watching

See these Breaking Bad memes and it made me laugh.

Season 4 spoiler:

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Season 5 spoiler:

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by Riku Rose
Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:43 pm
 
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Re: Mods deleting harmless topics

Seriously Ryudo just go outside.
by Riku Rose
Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:37 pm
 
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You are not authorised to read this forum.
by Guest
 
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Re: Gaming thoughts of the day

is it safe to talk about video games yet?
by south carmain
Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:15 pm
 
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Re: Deletion/Moving of the Junk forum

^That is an absolute classic scene.

But yeah, AG, you're just actin like a tit and not thinkin about this. What exactly is it about the Junk forum that you need? What is it about the Sony, Microsoft, etc. forums that you need? The majority of games out there are multi-platform now, and anything that isn't can have the topic edited to have [PS3] written at the beginning if it's exclusive to that console.

And Sonikku, you're blowin this way out of proportion. There's a massive difference between a forum community and the structural layout of said forum. The forum layout will never define the community, it's the people that will, and to suggest otherwise is pure bollocks.

However, at the same time, I must sympathise. At age 14 I had to wave goodbye to Maine Road, home of Manchester City, when we moved to the City of Manchester Stadium (now the Etihad Stadium) in 2003. I felt like the heart of our club had died, along with our former ground, and when we moved into the new one... it was dead. No atmosphere at all. I actually got into a lot of arguments and fights with out own supporters over the lack of noise they were making. I was even told to SIT DOWN. At a fucking FOOTBALL match. Happened countless times. We've come a long way since though, and it now feels like home. You just need to give it time. A lot of people hate change, but once you get used to it, you grow to love it. Not because you have to, but because you slowly and gradually make it your own. Your home. And that will happen for any one of you if you just give it time.

Another thing... I used to be on a huge Hip-Hop forum called NobodySmiling way before the Dojo, and it died because the owner got bored of Hip-Hop and changed it into a gaming forum, which ended up dying on it's arse. We recenty had a Facebook reunion of sorts, and the site's back under the guise of Still NobodySmiling. It's totally different, but none of that matters, because it's about the members, not the graphics, not the name of sub-forums, it's always the people that make it, and as long as youz still like and get on with the members, everything will be fine. So stop worrying about your "era" being gone, people are still here, the community is still here, and that's all that matters.
by MiTT3NZ
Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:21 pm
 
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Re: Devil May Cry series

One day it'll be remedied. Unfortunately, I have no time to game at the moment.
I hope you'll like DMC3. It's a great game, but it's also extremely juvenile in the bad way. I'm always torn between DMC1 and DMC3. DMC3 has an enormously improved gameplay, but DMC1 has much more flair in other departments.
by Dorian
Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:03 pm
 
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Re: Things That Made You Laugh Today

Chinese bootleg of Breaking Bad:

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by Riku Rose
Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:17 pm
 
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Re: Random Thoughts! v2.0

Kenny wrote: Caught Clinton and Obama's speeches in the DNC.

They were very well written by other people, interesting and moving.
by Spokane
Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:19 am
 
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Re: Random Thoughts! v2.0

Makes sense people wanting to make sure their taxes are spent properly since they work hard for that money. It seems more understandable people being concerned about their healthcare system as that is what looks after them should they get old and ill or just get a disease like cancer.

Then again we can just forget all that shit and get angry about Kojima making another Metal Gear game.
by Riku Rose
Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:16 pm
 
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Re: Random Thoughts! v2.0

Yep no point in trying to make the world a better place or care about things that give us a better future cause it's all pointless and we're all going to die anyway, yatta yatta yatta.

If you want to believe we're powerless, go ahead. But I'd rather try and change things. I, in fact, believe we have more power than we even realize. So what if there are things that happen outside of your control. It doesn't have to stay that way. We've already proven we have the power to change things repeatedly throughout human history.
by Yukupo
Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:29 pm
 
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Re: Tea

^Yeah! I just bought an iron tea pot. Perfect for brewing loose leaf tea.
by Yukupo
Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:27 pm
 
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Re: Random Thoughts! v2.0

Good. Let him live, spending the rest of his life contemplating how he owes his existence to those he had otherwise dedicated his life to oppressing.
by Sonikku
Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:39 pm
 
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Re: Random Thoughts! v2.0

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by Dorian
Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:33 pm
 
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises

Put this into Google:

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by Dorian
Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:41 am
 
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