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Shenmue Gaiden on Hiatus

Shenmue Gaiden has been placed on hold for the time being due to Esspiral no longer working on the project. While, I currently have a ton of assets for the game, more are needed in order to achieve the desired result.

I'll have to wait for more assets to become available from the modding community

The project will be released at a later date. Stay tuned for further updates.

Apologies, if this disappoints some of you, but it is what it is.

In the mean time, look forward to other community projects coming out on a regular basis on the shenmuedojo forums.

Thanks again.


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November 2015 update
Greetings everyone. Today, I thought id update you all on the Shenmue Gaiden project. Everything is going according to plan and we're making great progress. It's certainly a very ambitious project, but i'm confident we can all make it a reality.
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Shenmue Gaiden currently has two types of models, original and new. The upcoming demo will contain the original models, whilst the full game will contain the new detailed versions. These new renders take time unfortunately. Here's a sample of both types.

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The image on the right is the newer model. It has improved lighting, textures, details and special effects. Esspiral continues to improve and his work is simply amazing. I wish I could show you more :)

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Fully animated weather has now been implemented into Shenmue Gaiden. Currently, only rain is functional. Expect more in the full game.

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Although this is a still image, the rain particles are fully animated when playing. This effect gives the game a more professional a authentic feel.

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We now have the original Shenmue Modder, LanDC working with us. LanDC will be composing music for the title. I've heard a few sample tracks from him already and they sound GREAT!!!. Check out his latest public Shenmue remix below.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH7gkAC0dQU

In addition to, we've also been given some other great amazing music for the project. Samples to come in following updates.

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I'm happy to say that after some testing, Characters will now be able to blink and have their mouths move when speaking in a conversation. Here is a prototype shot of one of the characters.

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During certain periods of the game, you'll be able to freely explore various areas. To do so, we've implemented a world map containing the playable areas of Guilin. Simply choose an area which you wish Ryo to visit and you'll be taken there instantly. Pick carefully, as each area will have different sub stories.

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Throughout the game, you'll be given the option to spend more time with certain characters. You'll be given a ton of choices to choose from when engaging in conversation. Choose wisely. Each choice will alter the character's response and perception of you.

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We now have a sample script for those who wish to do voice acting. Please record as many characters as you'd like and upload your demo reel to youtube or email them directly to ShenmueGaiden@hotmail.com

DOWNLOAD THE SAMPLE SCRIPT HERE
http://www.filedropper.com/shenmuegaidensamplelines



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Finally, we'll be posting a new help thread in the community section. This thread will be use to request specific help from everyone. We can't make this project fully without your input. Please help as much as you can. Link to follow.


That's Novembers update for you. Please give us your feedback, suggestions and questions. If you'd like to help out on the project, please send us an email. Shenmuegaiden@hotmail.com

Thanks everyone.
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Weekly update
- New Shenmue Gaiden Facebook Page
- https://www.facebook.com/ShenmueGaiden
- New staff
- Amazing new voice actress
- More Faqs
- Exclusive release items
- General updates to the page
- Click the following link for the full breakdown
http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=48739&start=26

Send all your questions and requests to ShenmueGaiden@hotmail.com
Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/ShenmueGaiden

Hey Shenmue fans. So over the last few months, me and the amazing Esppiral have been working together on a special project. We originally planned to reveal it back in June but chose to delay it as Shenmue 3 was announced. Never saw that coming lol.

Without further delay, the Shenmue Community would like to present to you all.....

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INFO
Title : Shenmue Gaiden
Platform : PC/????
OS: Windows XP/7/8 / ????
Release date : 2016 / (Demo 2015)
Game Type: Visual Novel
Story: Non-Cannon. (This is a fan made game. Do not take the story seriously. It's something we threw together and does not represent the actual Shenmue story at all.)

All images are a work in progress. Expect massive improvements as the year goes on.

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Shenmue Gaiden will be a spin off non-canon story and take place just before Ryo reaches Shenhua's house in Guilin. A second story based in Hong Kong will also be included. Shenmue Gaiden will focus on the Shenmue Online characters. The lady in red and Lan di will be involved, however, they will take more of a background role. This will be done as we dont wont to interfere with the original story too much. We would like it to feel as authentic as humanly possible.

PLOT 1
After walking through the beautiful forest of Guilin for hours, Ryo and Shenhua finally reach their destination. This brief moment of peace is quickly interrupted as the pair are approached by a young girl begging for help. The Xiangjin village has been attacked by a woman dressed in red and group of men wearing black suits. Ryo and Shenhua make their way to the village to investigate. What sort of danger awaits them?

PLOT 2
After being defeated by Ryo and his friends, Dou Niu and Yuan are determined to get revenge. They team up with an old foe and seek out the Heavens and Xiuying within Hong Kong.

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Ryo - Hero of the series. He promises Lui Hui that he'll find the people responsible for the attack on Xiangjin village.
Shenhua - Heroine of the series. She is good friends with the children of Xiangjing village and accompanies Ryo throughout his travels in Guilin.

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Lan Di - The main villain of Shenmue. His reasons for being in Guilin continue to be a mystery.
????? - Mysterious woman dressed in red.

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Xiuying - One of the masters of Hong Kong. A very strong and independent woman. She is determined to stop Dou Niu and Yuan once and for all.
Ren - Leader of the Heavens. Nemesis to Dou Niu.

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Luihui - An orphan child from Xiangjin village. She looks up to and respects Shenhua.
Shui - Another child from Xiangjin village. He is good friends with Lui Hiu
Maggie - A fearsome and mysterious woman

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Chi You Men - The Henchmen of a mysterious organisation.

More to be added.......

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All characters sprites will be in full HD and receive noticeable upgrades to their models. Different expressions will also be added to their faces depending on the situation. This will allow us to deliver an extra layer of realism.

Lighting
Sprites will also receive various lighting effects depending on the background and time of day.

Animation
Finally, each sprite will have their eyes and mouths move when speaking or on screen.
Hopefully, all of these improvements will add an extra layer of realism and provide a better overall experience.

Character Model Improvements list
- HD Models
- Dynamic lighting
- Animated faces

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All backgrounds in Shenmue Gaiden will be in FULL HD and optimized to support widescreen. Those who played the previous visual novel may have noticed the game running at a 800x600 resolution. This new entry will run at a minimum 1080x720 and support other resolutions.

The backgrounds will also received noticeable upgrades such as lighting and special effects.

Guilin Langhuishan Area

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Textboxes has been customized to reflect the feel of Shenmue. The text itself is a work in progress. Here are some sample images from the game.

Ren And Joy

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Yuan and ???

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Chi You And Village Boy

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Ryo and M
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Cutscene images will also make a return. However, this time they will be custom made and not directly ripped from Shenmue 1 or 2.

Ryo Training

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Ryo and Shenhua by a campfire

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Shenhua

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Ryo and Shenhua walking through the forest

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Mechanics / Others

Shenhua's House
Each night, you'll return to Shenhua's house. Before you go to sleep, you'll be able to discuss the current events of the story, along with having a general discussion about every day life.

Shenhua will also teach you the game's system mechanics and give you advice about future events.

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Choices, Choices, Choices

Image maps
Certain sections of the game will give you options to explore various areas at your leisure. Each path leading to a different area of the game.

Conversation choices
Those who played the first game knows that it was full of conversation choices which led to different responses. This game will have the same features but expand on them further.

Voiced characters
One feature we would really love to include is voiced characters. We would love the community to contribute to this. Adam Koralik, his girlfriend and others have already expressed their interest in doing voice over work.

Jobs
More unique jobs than the first visual novel.

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Music will consist of tracks from Shenmue online, Shenmue Orchestra, Fan made music and Shenmue 2 Guilin music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWm8Gml8w4w

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More info to be revealed soon!!!

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Q - What type of game is this?
A - This is a visual novel title. A visual novel is an interactive narrative driven game using static images, text and sometimes video clips. Think Pheonix Wright.

Q - Why did you make this?
A - This is a passion project and was made for the Shenmue Community. We haven't had a Shenmue game in 15 years, so we thought it would be nice to create one.

Q - How many people do you think will play this title
A - Not many. Maybe around 50 - 100.

Q - The character portraits look strange?
A - Esspiral is practically remaking the character models. Its hard work. Expect them to improve in the final game.

Q - Copyright /Sega/Ys net/Cedric Biscay
A - This is a non profit simple fan game. There are hundreds of Sega fangames all over the internet. That said, if Sega, Yu Suzuki, Cedric Biscay or anyone else involved with Shenmue want us to stop the project, then we will cancel it immediately. No questions asked.

Q - How did you make Niao S......i mean the lady in red
A - Me and Esspiral broke into SEGA HQ and stole the plans for Shenmue 5. In all seriousness, Esspiral has put a ton of work into creating this model. The result is magnificent as you can see.

Q - Can I help on the project?
A - Absolutely. Scroll down to the bottom of the thread and see the list of available jobs. Whichever one suits you, send us an email and we will go from there.

Q - You shouldn't interfere with the Shenmue story
A - This game is non canon and will focus on the characters that have been written off from the series (Shenmue online characters). Lady in red and Lan di will take a more background role.

Q - Can you make chapter 2? (Ryo traveling to Hong Kong via boat)
A - Its possible. One day, we may try it.

More FAQs coming soon....

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The following individuals have shown interest in taking part in the Shenmue Gaiden project. More staff will be added in the coming weeks. Some individuals may want to withdraw from their current positions in the future. Staffing not final. Wishlist staff are the ones we would like to recruit. Current staff, please email us regarding any additional info. ShenmueGaiden@hotmail.com

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- ShenSun (Producer/Director)
- Esspiral (Producer/Director)
- David Diville (Shenmue Master/French coordinator)

Wishlist
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- Shengoro James (Shenmue 500k coordinator)
- Ziming
- Yama

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A sample of various phrases/lines/part of the script will be sent out to the voice over team in the coming weeks. Casting of characters will then take place.

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- Adam Koralik & Mrs Claus
- Adoxographist
- Shengoro James
- Laura Eliza
- Axm
- David Diville
- Ceej & Brother
- T'Pei
- Heather Chu Bishop
- Giorgio
- Ryo911
- Bryan Figueroa
- More to be added.....

Shown interest. Awaiting Confirmation.
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- Eternal Dragon
- Happy Console Gamer

Wishlist

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- Esspiral
- Riken productions

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- Matthew Velazquez
- François Bilodeau
- More to be added

Needs to confirm
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- David Formston

Wishlist
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- LanDC

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- Miles Prower
- Adrian Farrugia (Editor)
- Redandwhite

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- ShenmueP1

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If you would like to help on the project, let us know. This is a community project, so all help is welcome.

Current jobs
-- Voice Overs (To voice certain characters in the game)
- Fan Artist (To draw Shenmue fanart)
-- Voice Ripper (To rip voice files of specific characters from Shenmue 1/2)
-- Editor (Read the script for spelling and grammar mistakes)
-- Video Editor (Create trailers for game and to demonstrate updates on youtube)
-- Photoshop Designer (Create wallpapers and promotional images for the game)
-- Music Creator (To remaster or create original Shenmue inspired soundtracks)
--Any other unique skill that you may have, let us know. Contact us at ShenmueGaiden@hotmail.com or message us through Shenmuedojo

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The following is the development plan for the rest of the year. If we stick to this vague schedule, we should be able to release a demo on Christmas day. Some crucial info may be missing. Updates to the page as we notice them.

October 21st - 31st 2015
• Base game / engine built. (COMPLETE)
• import all current backgrounds / characters (COMPLETE)
• complete basic structure for Guilin demo chapter (COMPLETE)

November 1st - 30th
• Incorporate events, ?, story branches, social events, image maps, music etc.
• Shenmue Gaiden update on the 3rd

December 1st - 10th
• proofread script
• Shenmue Gaiden update on the 3rd
• hand script over to David Deville for French translation
• Receive final demo script
• Have script voiced by voice actors

December 19th - 24th
• Have script voiced by voice actors
• TEST TEST TEST
• MORE TESTING
• Send copy to david and esspiral for approval.

December 25th
• Eat Christmas dinner and open presents
• Release Shenmue Gaiden Demo
• Presents for all.

December 31st - 1st January
• New announcements
• Feedback
• Party

Updates will continue, with major updates being released on the 3rd of each month.

Many Thanks.

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If you would like to speak to me or Esspiral about the project, jobs, or anything else then please send us a private message through the Shenmuedojo forums. Alternatively Email us at ShenmueGaiden@hotmail.com

Like our Facebook Page to get updated on new developments

Shenmue Gaiden Facebook Page
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Thanks a million guys. We hope you all enjoy the game.

#SaveShenmue

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by ShenSun
Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:28 pm
 
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Re: Gamespot : Is Shenmue a Good Game? - The Lobby

I think the best and most succinct answer to the question, "Is Shenmue a Good Game?" is simply:

"At least good enough for thousands of people all over the world to lose their minds when a sequel was finally announced, and for somewhere between 50,000 and 70,000 people to voluntarily donate more than 6 million dollars to see it happen."

Enough said.
by Anonymous81
Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:42 am
 
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Re: I'm gonna start saving for a SIV Kickstarter...just in c

I'm happy to help Shenmue get itself up and running again by giving to the Shenmue III kickstarter, but I'm not gunna keep this thing on life-support for the rest of my life. If Shenmue is going to succeed then it's going to have to stay up on its own two feet. We've helped give it another chance, now it's YSnet's turn.

It'll be fine though, I have no worries.
by Thief
Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:34 pm
 
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Re: Post your best!

https://youtu.be/OeZFnkzgrsU

3 hits this time I believe.

Demon Drop cheese, that's exactly what I did too. :rotflmao:
The funny thing is that throws never crossed my mind while fighting Chai lol. I always went for low kicks as it was always the safest way to beat him.
I used to use Mud Spider but this is more reliable.

I didn't think you would go for the trouble as I was just teasing lol. It's already great your attempt video btw!
Haha, it's no trouble, I should be able to do this as I could back in the day, in saying that I never found free battle as fidgety as I do now.
by Bambi
Mon Aug 17, 2015 6:51 am
 
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Re: Thanking Sony

I've been thanking Sony since child birth.

If I get a Tattoo it will read:


SHENMUE
O
N
YUSUZUKI

With an etched drawing of Kaz Hirai on my belly.
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by Axm
Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:14 am
 
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Re: Thanking Sony

How about the Shenmue community makes a card with our names or whatever signed on it and then send it to Sony HQ?
by Himuro
Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:49 pm
 
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Re: Random Gaming Thoughts (Read OP Before Posting)

If you have yet to play Super Metroid, and refuse to because of some reason or another, than please watch this video and then GO PLAY THE GAME!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=846&v=YuujwWl3R0I

I truly believe Super Metroid to be the best game ever created, period. But regardless of that, the reason I'm so adamant about people playing the game, is because I heard talk around here of people writing off Metroid (in general) because they played Prime (or something) and didn't like it. Prime sucks and it should not influence your opinion on Super Metroid at all. Go play Super Metroid and be happy! I just want you to be happy!
by Thief
Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:46 pm
 
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Re: Random Thoughts

^ it really is a great bond theme. My personal favorite is "Nobody does it Better" from The Spy Who Loved Me.

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Runner up being...

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by Thief
Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:25 pm
 
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Re: Pre-order Shenmue 3 with PayPal

Hello Everyone

I see lots of concerns/questions about PayPal, this all must be directed 1st to KS team at KS page first and foremost!

As you see only Kickstarter page, official site and @Shenmue_3 have posted about the paypal 1st not @Yu_Suzuki_Jp

or @YSNET_Inc, this must clear the fact that YSNET is busy with focusing on publishing/developing,

while other teams such as KS team (AJ), Shibuya, etc must stay focused on their own tasks.

(Publishing-Developing= Making and releasing the actual game which is YSNET's main task)

So in regards to Kickstarter, PayPal, Etc:

I suggest you 1st to use the Kickstarter page's contact me feature: http://bit.ly/saveshenmue

(Simply click on YSNET logo and KS Team as YSNET representative will respond)

Don't forget that you can leave comments on KS updates too!

Alternatively you can use http://shenmue.link 's contact.

Don't forget that you can also tweet @Shenmue_3

At the end,

You can tweet @CedricBiscay or http://bit.ly/ShenmueAmbassador (me myself) for further follow up if really needed.

Thank you very much as always.

Best, Novin
Shenmue Brand Ambassador for YSNET
by alimn
Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:18 pm
 
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Re: Ryo Hazuki IS in Project X Zone 2! For Reals!

New screenshots by Famitsu, of Ryo Hazuki's solo unit appearance in Project X Zone 2!

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by Giorgio
Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:22 am
 
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Re: What movie are you watching right now?

I watched Big Trouble in Little China this year for Halloween -- it's not a scary movie, but it's a damn good one, so it'll suffice.
by Thief
Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:20 am
 
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Re: Yu Suzuki: Le Maitre de Sega - Book Review

Here's the Sumo Digital guy rhetorically asking about a Shenmue III Kickstarter: http://videogamewriters.com/sega-all-stars-dev-wants-to-see-shenmue-3-on-kickstarter-45797

Here's Biscay with the "contrepartie" quote: http://shenmueangel.free.fr/news2.php?id=315

And here's another post from Biscay on the Shenmue Master Facebook from April 2013: https://www.facebook.com/Shenmue.Master/posts/576838789002463

He says that the photo with Mark Cerny was just a publicity shot for GDC 2013 (i.e. no confirmation of deal with Sony), and that Suzuki is thinking about Kickstarter as well as trying to find funding partners and convincing Sega.

Here's more context to Moore telling Naka to fuck off: http://www.gamesradar.com/when-peter-moore-said-f-you-to-yuji-naka/
by Amir
Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:43 pm
 
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Re: Random Shenmue Thoughts

People telling Shenmue fans that are blinded by nostalgia. I guess those people are blinded by stupidness. Also, those people consume the thoughts of others, without making their own. They can't think for themselves. They are so shallow and narrow-minded (and mind-numbed), who of course cannot understand and feel the APPEAL Shenmue has on the fans. When something is deep and requires you to philosophize on it, you cannot expect airheads to give it the green light.

Furthermore, the term "nostalgia" is their cliche explanation on why fans love a game, who the former cannot appreciate in the slightest. Personally, I love Shenmue not because of nostalgia, but because it's the only interactive audiovisual experience that touches my symbolic heart. It lets you feel human in a virtua reality space. It evokes emotions on you, which are of empathetic and uplifting nature.

Additionally, it's a portal to another cultures (and history, geography, mythology, wisdom etc), those of Japan and China, and lets you learn and experience that interactively, without you actually visiting those places. I can feel free, in a open world, to explore the sights and inspect the minute crafted details, without being forced or chased. Especially, it is a play-space/story-world of teaching morality/ethos. Finally, the mundane/everyday and familiar/ordinary are elements that you can really identify with in your life.
by Giorgio
Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:39 am
 
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Re: Shenmue 3 Opening Scenes

The game Fades into a scene of them walking out of the cave and Ryo says "I feel live I've slept for years"

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
by jackmonte1987
Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:53 pm
 
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Shenmue 15th Anniversary (North America) & Making of Shenmue

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Today is the 15th anniversary since Shenmue was released in North America on the Sega Dreamcast. (December in Europe) To commemorate this day we are sharing a special video that goes behind the scenes in the making of Shenmue. Back in the late 90's NHK aired a TV program on the development of Shenmue at SEGA. They spent 6 months with Yu Suzuki as he was developing Shenmue on what would be Sega's last home game console. English translation provided by Switch .

Making of Shenmue: Youtube | DailyMotion | Vimeo

Available Captions/Subtitles: English, French, Spanish, German, and Portuguese.
by Ziming
Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:17 am
 
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Re: Recent Gaming Purchases

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Meant to grab it at launch, but it hit at a bad moment.
On amazon yesterday it went from 40 bucks to 15... so hell yes I swiped that up.
by OL
Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:34 am
 
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What did you all get for Christmas?

The topic sums up with the purpose of this is. Here's some pics of what I got. I hope all of you had a great Christmas.

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by Tpgb12
Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:21 pm
 
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Re: Recent Gaming Purchases

This was against my better judgment...

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by Sonikku
Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:33 am
 
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Re: Latest Purchases

For wrestling Bears?
by Crimson Ryan
Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:52 pm
 
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Re: Latest Purchases

Sony Xperia Z1 Compact Replacement Port Covers
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Unfortunately, I've also fell victim to my cover ports snapping off which in turn nullified my phones waterproofing.

Seemed to be quite a common complaint about the Z series before they made the ports waterproof without the need for covers.

I was browsing whether it was worth claiming on my insurance before stumbling on a repair video to replace them and it looks painfully easy to do. The example in the video had just the frame disassembled, but the author said they could be put in place with no disassembling required.

£8 purchase from eBay. Wish me luck!
by Crimson Ryan
Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:14 pm
 
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Shenmue voted #1 in "Top 200 Dreamcast Games 2016"

http://www.thedreamcastjunkyard.co.uk/2016/11/the-top-200-dreamcast-games-2016-as.html

Was it ever in doubt? Not really. A clear margin of victory, more than double the number of 'best overall game' votes (and that was to it's own sequel - it received triple the number that 3rd placed JSR received) and for the 3rd DCJY best games list, Yu Suzuki's masterpiece is a deserved winner. There's been so much said about this game, so much love and passion from it's loyal fan base, that it's hard to describe the game without simply getting a bit emotional. A beautifully realised vision of mid 80's Japan, intricate, highly detailed environments with graphics that were nothing less than mind blowing at the time, an adventure that felt truly epic, with a classic tale of vengeance and redemption. Yu Suzuki is a gaming genius, and there are so many little touches in the game - from playing classic titles in the Arcades, an out-of-time Saturn to play at home (and versions of the Arcade games to win), motorbike section, fighting system, forklift racing...there's a reason the game was the most expensive ever made, and it can be seen in the incredible attention to detail. The music is just incredible, the game is emotionally touching (yes, even with the slightly wooden voice acting of the western releases), and whilst there are plenty who don't 'get' the game, for many, it transcends the medium. How many people gained an interest in Japanese culture from playing this game? I can think of few other games where the words 'emotionally impacted' are said more, when describing Shenmue . It defines the DC more than any other game, and the memories it invokes in so many..well...I'll just leave some of them here:

Daniel Quince: "...Sat in my tiny caravan bedroom lost in a great story, back in a great time. Sometimes I would just let days pass me by either playing in the arcade, practising Karate or chatting up the terrible voice acted girls... Them's were the days!"

Bridger: "There was nothing like it at the time. You could take your time and explore every area and see the time and detail that was put into every minute of the game..."

James Wakefield: "I know it's an obvious one, but it's the reason I bought a Dreamcast when I was a kid."

Richard Troupe: "Shenmue was a truly revolutionary gaming experience....Shenmue still manages to marvel and astound with its never before seen attention to detail, beautiful soundtrack and stunning atmosphere."

Jonathan: "It was the first time I felt an emotional connection to a game. The story is so deep and the characters are so well developed."

Cameron Allen: "The most engaging video game I have ever experienced.... my wife who does not play video games sat next to me for a complete play through of Shenmue, utterly entranced by the story and characters. With it's time appropriate accuracy and wildly unique feeling I am yet to play a game that matches it's atmosphere."

Mathew: "A game beyond awesome, it really broke me from turn based RPG's and opened my mind to a ton of other games I love today."

Ted: "This is a game that resonated with me deeply. It was a revolutionary game for the time and still holds up well as not only a genre defining game - but as a definition of a new type of media..."

Nicolas Oberlé: "This game allowed me to discover Japan 5 years before my first trip to the country."

Rico Tyrell: "On a personal level, this game started me on my journey to becoming a game programmer..."

Dan Glosier: "It strives to develop a story in a fully imagined world without relying on pure action to keep the player entertained."

Matthew Smith: "Of all the video games that I've ever played, no game more than Shenmue has made me feel like I was visiting a real place. The setting, the music, the character design and the focus on your exploration of everything from the town to your closets make it an unforgettable experience."

Chris: "Shenmue introduced me to not only the wonderful world of the Sega Dreamcast but also the simple joys of exploring a small Japanese town, which subsequently has fueled my love for both video games and Japanese culture ever since."

James Brown: "The single greatest video game that affected m physically and emotionally. Completed it roughly 30+ times...always have slightly different experiences each playthrough..."
Neat!
by ShenGCH
Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:18 am
 
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Re: What TV series are you watching?

St. Elmo's Fire wrote: Black Mirror. S3 Ep3. Holy FUCK that is probably one of the darkest bits of TV I have ever watched, I could feel the tension just watching it!


I keep hearing that..! Gotta get into that series asap I guess.
by Monkei
Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:55 pm
 
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Re: What TV series are you watching?

Black Mirror. S3 Ep3. Holy FUCK that is probably one of the darkest bits of TV I have ever watched, I could feel the tension just watching it!
by St. Elmo's Fire
Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:09 pm
 
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Re: No Shenmue 3 Until E3 2017!!!

I'm honestly surprised to see so many Shenmue fans so disappointed. I thought Shenmue fans were used to disappointment by now. ;-)
At least we're getting the game...that's all I care about. The less the game gets spoiled the better.
by Henry Spencer
Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:26 pm
 
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Re: No Shenmue 3 Until E3 2017!!!

Fan feedback scares me. There are a lot of people that donated. Some of them have no idea about what made shenmue great. All it takes is a vocal minority to mess things up. One teaspoon of oil can mess up a ships water supply. Or so they say.

Can you imagine some teen going: "wtf this is boring. All you do is walk and talk. I paid for this? Lawl, shenmue sucks. Add more combat!"

Also, anyone who is familiar with game development knows that a demo takes months out of regular developmet. Watch the god of war 2 "making of" documentary on YouTube. Their struggle to get a demo ready for e3 as well as how time consuming it was is well documented there.
by ChiefNeo
Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:40 am
 
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Re: No Shenmue 3 Until E3 2017!!!

At this point, I'm guessing that if you criticize Shenmue III upon release you might even be banned. How dare you criticize our lord and savior!

Really? After you saying that Shenmue 3 deserves SO MUCH that it MUST have a E3 screening because it's an equal to a title like Final Fantasy VII Remake (without a solid base for such opinionated claim), you really dare to imply that the rest of us are simply fanboys?

Sandfish said I want constant promotion. I really don't. I just want an update on the game and do not find the recent updates satisfactory. I do expect to see an update before E3, but if they don't have one as the OP of this thread surmises, then they have left their hands to fate.

I find my position fairly logical and reasonable. Certainly, after having the support of over 70k people world wide, Yu and his team would agree that not having an big update on how the project is going before or during E3 would be unacceptable. Only a complete fanboy would argue otherwise.

If they haven't shown anything before and during E3 then I mean, it's on their inaction to show the fruits of their labor that has the sum of nearly 7 million dollars over of 70k people's hopes. The fact that they'd not show anything before or during E3 despite those numbers is begging for bad press anyways. Also, this has more to do with the trailer and more to do with what they're doing with peoples money if they have managed to miss two E3's in a row. Concern for the status of the development would legitimate, especially with a supposed December 2017 release date.

How would I know that you will not want more after your demands are met? When usually threats are attended to, it just means they work and now people feel like they gained power in their hands. It's just a natural course to continue doing so. And soon other people will follow (or did you think you are the only one with wants and needs?) Do you see the really DANGEROUS TREND you are trying to set here? Even if you don't follow through your intentions, others might think it's okay to threaten the development team to get what they want. When said demands can't be met, Ysnet will have to waste money and resources just for damage control and waste time (which is literally our money) that would be otherwise spent on making the game.

Please answer me this: What real difference does it make if a "substantial trailer" is shown RIGHT NOW or 2 years from now in the long run? After all people know the game has evolved to some extent, because some backers have already seen it. And there's simply no fact that keeping up with "substantial updates" (and of the like suggested documentaries and creation of in game items) will bring worthwhile money to cover its costs (unless you show me the numbers or statistics for comparison). But it's a logical conclusion that it will be detrimental to the final product, because the team will have to allocate more time and money (resources that we paid for) on making fans "happy" that could be focused solely on the development process of the game. The opportunity cost Yu chose in the end is the wise one, as seen with other successful Kickstarters. How am I a fanboy here? I really think what I wrote so far makes sense.

I noticed also that you, Himuro, wrote some post about how the entire campaign could be improved. First of all, most of the suggestions are just to keep fans "happy" while waiting for the final product and it does not improve on the game itself which is all we really care about in the end. Your jacket suggestion actually just makes the entire gaming process harder. Besides having to go through the trouble of creating such artifact, they have to test it throughout the final build for possible crashes and bugs. Plus it will be another added promise that Yu will have to fulfill to the backers in the end. Where does the laundry list stop for such a limited budget and small scale team? And FYI any company or organization has room for process improvement, including your workplace or business. There're entire jobs just focused on that area. So don't just go treat everyone like idiots as if no one knows what they are doing, but a few selected non fanboys. We don't even know at what capacity the jobs of the members from Awesome Japan extends to in the end. Probably Yu would have to raise their salary in order for them to perform according to your standards.
And if you are still so keen on improving whatever it's being done, why not do it yourself? Go draft those improvements and send to them. The team will surely make some good use of your improvement suggestions if it's within their job description and capacity. Otherwise talk is easy to go around and everyone just loves to play the boss.

The entire discussion is circular and no one is budging an inch.

Not circular at all. I have no beef with you. I apologize if any of this offends or insults you. I certainly know you are as passionate about Shenmue 3 as the rest of the community. My only intention is just to STOP YOU from planting these ideas to other people that just because you are a backer Ysnet has to listen to you. Threats are not okay. You are willing to take measures to your own hands while not having the consensus from the rest of the community. I just hope that with my posts people understand that no one here is a shareholder of the company and Ynet has no OBLIGATION whatsoever to entertain backers, and not even promote Shenmue 3. Their only obligation toward us all is to deliver a finished game some time in the future (no deadlines requirements, read carefully the stipulations of a Kickstarter project), and the respective perks for those who paid for them. Just let them do their jobs.
So far, the project is on track as some backers already witnessed further development of the game process, unless you want to doubt them. There have been consistent updates (in the form of small interviews mostly) just to let people know that the project is doing okay. There are simply no red flags at all.

Sorry for the long post and thank you to those who read it.

You know what, you're right. I cooled off today for whatever reason and I agree with you. I will not apologize for my behavior because it's how I felt at the time but reconsidering it, I'd say you're right.

As for a trial, I don't view it as necessarily a good thing but also not a bad thing. I will be playing the trial so I can give Ys Net my thoughts on it so I can see if it presents a pure Shenmue experience and I will be articulating this to them through my impressions of the trial. I think the more Shenmue fans who play the trial and give Ys Net impressions the better the final game will turn out. If a lot of us fans don't get the trial because of a fear of spoilers or a pure experience, we are allowing non-fans to articulate their thoughts the most. This cannot happen and we must make it a priority to give the team our thoughts as fans.

And you're right I'm passionate about Shenmue, if my posts hopefully have shown you.

I will definitely be writing drafts on how the KS can be improved and send it to them. I hope I get a response.
by Himuro
Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:22 pm
 
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Re: No Shenmue 3 Until E3 2017!!!

I only give a shit about shenmue so everything else is a wrong opinion.

And my opinions are not opinions, are facts.
by shredingskin
Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:56 pm
 
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Re: Politics

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by Sonikku
Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:20 pm
 
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Re: Reveal Shenmue 3 trailer to backers or public first?

At this point, I only care about the game getting maximum exposure and being as commercially successful as it possibly can. If that means a global public release of the trailer, I'm all for it.

I didn't donate to the Kickstarter to get special treatment or perks (though I am excited about the backer rewards I will be getting), but because I waited 15 years for this game. I donated because I wanted to do everything I possibly could to ensure that the game was made, and made to the highest possible standard.

This is the same reason I was annoyed at folks who were opposed to certain Kickstarter rewards being offered during the slacker backer campaign -- shouldn't we want to cast as wide a net as possible to welcome people into the fold? This is particularly true if the saga isn't meant to end after three games. The more exposure and hype that surrounds it, the better chance we would see future installments, and not be left in limbo again.
by mikec_ct
Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:46 pm
 
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Re: What ~*May*~ Be Coming in December's Kickstarter Update

I wish I had followed your advice on being polite.

I threatened and insulted them and they gave me an alpha of the game, basically spoiled it all.
by shredingskin
Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:35 pm
 
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Re: To All The Donators of "Shenmue 3" worldwide: Roll Call!

Oh I see...so you belong to those people who only hear what they wanna hear and walk straight out the room after that. Alright I get it. But I will reply to you just this one time again, and after that I'm done with you.



Really... So what's the issue again? That none of us knew that giving more money to the campaign will make it a better game and you just happen to enlighten us with your post?

First of all, where did Yu say Shenmue 3 would be a fully open world game if given $10 Million? Read carefully the AMA post. And what "open world" even entitles to? GTA style? Then Shenmue 1 & 2 must suck to you because it's not open world enough. And why would Yu even be willing to make a Shenmue 3 with a $2 million budget? You were expecting a visual novel? Lol. That's why I said people have weird assumptions, and you just proved that.

I don't exactly know what type of significance the word "fully" has to you or where you think I used it but uhhm....YOU was the one who quoted that statment of Yu I was referring to in the first place! Which says "At 10 Million, it will truly have the features of an open world." Sooooooo.... yeaahhhhh....you know you basically fucked yourself with that comment don't you? xD
And who said it has to be GTV 5 like? You always bring that reference up. I don't even want it to be like Fallout 4. You must think (along a few other people) that he means it will be a HUGE Open World like those games if he hits 10 mill. But what hes saying is that there won't even be a "small" Open World like in the first two games if he don't hit that mark. Because all the money he got right now goes into the story (which is important too of course), but if you play that game just linearly without any optional things like in the first two games (which in some kinda way also contributing to the feeling of the story) it aint Shenmue. So you'll only get a linear game, that just machines of the story parts. Plus he said the graphics will suffer due to the fact that everything at this point goes right into the story. But I dont speak on graphics now.
Oh and about that 2 Million you were talking bout: That only were the minimum for him to even make SOME KIND of Shenmue 3. He could have made a Shenmue 3 with that Money but a shitty one. I mean hey he could have said he needs even less money then we may have gotten ourselfs a 16-bit Shenmue 3 for the genesis, but at least it says "Shenmue 3" right?...Goddammit dont you people ever think before you post something!...He was givin everybody a financial calculation for the project. Just like in every other branch on this earth where projects needs to be financed. And YOU particulary asked him about more details about that financial calculation. And you got an answer. But now you wanna acted like his word ain't shit? "Oh he has to deal with the current money to make it great, he can do it because hes creative" But thats..I said it already, see my previous post.
And besides: I don't really have to tell you how much the first 2 games has cost, don't I? C'mon man, dont make me go this way...



What if Yu gives a new public comment that Shenmue 3 would have ALL the features of an open world and some more (whatever that means) if he only had $20 million at his disposal? Are you going to ask everyone for ONLY $200 more?
You are scoffing at $47 as if every backer is financially able to give out any more than they already did. Of course, asking of others is easy when we don't have to show our own contribution to the cause after all.

And this my dear friend is the perfect proof that you not only dont know shit about shit, but that you are also ignorant as it gets! First of all he won't say any of this dumb shit you posted there because he already made the marks (his calculations that is) clear. If he really would come around the corner after he hits 10 Mill and saying something like this I would clearly say "Fuck You" because I would feel a little bit played. But that aint gonna happen.
Second: So you are basically saying I'm through wit it he has to make it with the money he got yada yada yada...but you are gratefully accepting any small advantage that will be added to the game due to donations from people like anonymous81 and Suzuki Yu, who permanetly donating something. They literatly breaking their back just to make at least a small effort bit by bit. People like this shouldnt even go out of their ways like this, because we could make something big happen All TOGETHER with minimum effort on every site, but NOOOOO people rather running their mouth and being ignorant, but at the same time benefiting without doing shit. So don't hit me with that "Oh you cant ask people for 47 because they cant effort it" and "glad we dont have to show our contributions". You dont even know how much I contributed so stop running your mouth! I'm willing to burn another 500 again for this cause, but this time ONLY if I got enough people with me that doing it with me (with their 47 dollars of course). Soo I suggest you stop accusing others of treatmilling, if you are in fact the one whos is doing it. And this bassically goes for all of you who are thinking the same way. Because you will be the first ones to start bitchig about the final game like crybabies if it didnt live up to your expectations!




PS. About making your old car looking like a Bugatti, here you go . You are welcome.


And you really must have thought you did something to me with that one huh? xD
The only thing you did with that is prooving me right 100%! Thank you so much for this, good Sir!
Because after all: IT ISN'T A REAL BUGGATI!! Someone just dressed it up to LOOK like it, but it ISN'T THE REAL THING! It wont feel and it definatly wont drive like a real one. And anybody whos doing shit like that is a fraud really. But thats none of my Buisness xD

But its all good tho homie. Don't worry: when you start crying how shitty the final game is, I'm there for you. You can lean on my shoulders. I got you on this one. I mean i will laugh at you hard and hit you permanatly with the three magical words "Told You So" but I'll be there for you :heart:

You are incredibly annoying to read.

Also, you are clueless.
by ChiefNeo
Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:42 pm
 
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Re: To All The Donators of "Shenmue 3" worldwide: Roll Call!

I shudder to imagine what must have occurred in LeRoi's life to make him so bitter and spiteful on a video game message board.
by Let's Get Sweaty
Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:45 pm
 
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Re: To All The Donators of "Shenmue 3" worldwide: Roll Call!

Let's Get Sweaty wrote: I shudder to imagine what must have occurred in LeRoi's life to make him so bitter and spiteful on a video game message board.


Lost his savings and mind over buying a fake Bugatti maybe?
by Monkei
Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:14 pm
 
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Re: To All The Donators of "Shenmue 3" worldwide: Roll Call!

I've already donated all I can. To subsidize my wanting to donate more, I go to conventions and promote the game to everyone I can.
by shengoro86
Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:14 pm
 
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Re: I'm I the only who has not backed Shenmue III?

Nope, there's approximately seven billion others who didn't back the game either.

Seriously, though, there are probably a few people on here (even less if they're active posters) who didn't back the game, not because they didn't want to, but because of financial issues. I think it's safe to say the majority of active posters, however, did.


Why aren't the other 7 billion backing the game?!

Buncha jagoffs the lot are!

Why can't the other 7 billion people simply pool their money together to come up with the remaining $3.3 million???

3,300,000/ 7,000,000,000= $0.00047 needed per person .

Lazy bums can't be arsed to come up with a less than a tiny fraction of a penny each!!
by SMDzero
Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:26 am
 
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Re: Kickstarter Update #63: Campaign and Progress Update

To me, the photoshopped face is definitely an indication of proof of concept and intended direction. They're clearly focusing on graphical touches last. Including the character models. I know that's what we all want to see because the characters are so beloved and them feeling right is so very important to us as fans. But in practical reality, imho at least, that's the last thing they should be focusing on if they're only now exiting R&D and testing as they said in this update.

I followed Dreamfall Chapters' development as well, and Zoe's character model and face and hair were super controversial and took forever to be finalized. Everyone nitpicked just like they have been here (which is everyone's prerogative and totally understandable - I'm not telling anyone not to) but... it really does take a lower priority at this stage than getting systems and mechanics and the design doc right. That's what will ensure they are on track to hitting their milestones and getting the product they envision out the door eventually.

Graphics are important to us because they are the only thing we can see that isn't just an abstraction - they are in many respects, for us, what the game IS. But to Ys, there are more important things to tackle right now. I really don't think they're going to photoshop a face on there... and then release something that doesn't measure up to that vision. They're not stupid, or intentionally disingenuous imo.

But again, to each their own reaction.
by Anonymous81
Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:21 pm
 
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Re: Kickstarter Update #63: Campaign and Progress Update


It's a fact that there are a lot of wrong things in the temple screen. Random generated mountains, no bump mapping, ugly 2D vegetation, low res texture. Even the lightning is pretty generic, like if a student played with the saturation sliders of UE4.


This feels overly critical and hyperbolic to me especially for a game that just left pre-production.

You guys should listen to the post above. This is coming from Himuro after all, who has been over critical on the project so far. ;-)


Hey, give me a break. :( I've only been critical after the psx no show.
by Himuro
Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:45 pm
 
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Re: Kickstarter Update #63: Campaign and Progress Update

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Fuck the haters and the negativity.

Merry Christmas Yu, make the best game you can.
by Shenhua-Nani?
Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:35 pm
 
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Re: Shenmue 2 - Game Informer Super Replay

My favorite reaction so far

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by Yokosuka
Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:55 am
 
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Re: Kickstarter Update #63: Campaign and Progress Update

Nothing huge, but I did notice the boxes under a table in a shot were temporary placeholder assets from Shenmue II.

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by Spaghetti
Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:28 am
 
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Re: Shenmue 1.. a mostly optional affair?

Games are optional you fourteen-fingered pleb.
by MiTT3NZ
Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:36 pm
 
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Re: Best Games of 2016

I bought very few games in 2016.

For me, those I loved were (and I know one on this list will provoke enormous criticism but... I can't change what I like no matter how weird it makes me lol):

5. Dreamfall Chapters. I refused to play it until all chapters were complete. It had its issues, but as the likely final entry in a series I have always loved, it was worth the wait for me.

4. Stardew Valley. Best Harvest Moon game that isn't a Harvest Moon game since the original Harvest Moon game imo. :P

3. Earth Defense Force 4.1 on PC. I am hopelessly addicted to the EDF series, and while nothing will ever match the first time I 100%ed EDF 2017, this game is just oodles of endless EDF content and I adore it.

2. Doom 2016. Most fun I've had in a single player first person shooter since Serious Sam. Absolutely loved it, played just the campaign alone for 80+ hours.

1. No Man's Sky. (Yeah, I know.) I won't expound on this other than to say I'm 115 hours into it and still loving it so... just chalk it up to me being bizarre lol.

Honorable mention: Trillion: God of Destruction.
by Anonymous81
Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:17 pm
 
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Re: Shenmue 1.. a mostly optional affair?

Bad idea in my opinion. You already have the digest and Shenmue: The Movie if they really wanted to truncate the story of the first game. Moreover, kickstarter stretch goals associated with a brief catch-up on the first two games have already been hit, so that is yet another way people can just brush up quickly.

If you're going to package these games together for actual playing, then you should do it right. Why even bother buying a collection with the first two games if you're just going to have a way to skip through the first game? That makes no sense at all.
by SlySpy
Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:53 am
 
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