Controversial gaming opinions

[elfshadowreaper]

I still think there are unique gaming experiences to be had out there, even before VR/holograms/etc. Portal was an amazing game. I think before that game(and I didn't realize it until I played it the first time) I was in a gaming funk. Nothing had wow'd me. Then Portal came along and turned everything on its head. It had a unique villain, physics, story.

So I don't think gaming as we know it is tired and hackneyed. We just have to get gamers to understand when they're being shovel-fed the same game over and over. I for one am sick of first person shooters. They're everywhere.

The one thing iOS will have a hard time doing is immersing the player. It's hard to be really immersed in a game when it's 3x5 and you keep getting text alerts. I'm not at all saying iOS doesn't have some fun games, it's just not the future. I think we try to look at the future of games as what hardware it'll be on, but it really all comes down to a screen and a way to interact with that screen, be it a controller, motion controls, touch, telepathy.

[Himuro]

Go on then, name me some iOS games that are more fresh than what's on consoles, since I think it's really just as bad on there for "fresh ideas", but with bad controls to go with it.

I will list some but you must take my post seriously and not dismiss what I've posted in this thread simply on the premise that they are mobile games like many games.

Some starters from various genres:

Layton Brothers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JhhZ1ob1d8

Dojo Slash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxqNDg3jkko

868-Hack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efj_m1RLM3A

Sol Invictus:







Star Nomad:

http://youtu.be/Tn2ASP4wtgc

Helix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMGkZisZV2g

Fotonica:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MnvFGUMMI

Monsters Ate My Birthday Cake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkzLbXQAtdA

Bitcoin Billionaire:

http://youtu.be/FB0TJisgng4

Ghost Blade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLghcAa-kjs

Docking Sequence:

http://youtu.be/rLNbNp4OJrQ

iOS has games out every week at a cheap price. Lots of experimentation. Lots of classic genres too. There's some poop and regurged shit, but you get good at finding what you'll like and ignoring the rest. Best system out right now yet gamers dismiss it because they're afraid of casuals and the mobile takeover while - and through ignorance - piling on a system full of experimentation and new ideas. One thing I've learned about gamers who dismiss iOS is that they don't even look at iOS games and what it is has to offer on any serious basis. Either that, or they play on Android, and Android is a mobile gaming ghetto.

There's a Chess x Roguelike coming out soon, for instance.

http://youtu.be/-1a2NlXRjkM

Today is Thursday, that's iOS game release day. These games came out this week:

Adventure to Fate:

http://youtu.be/5DLdLoI3CVA

ATM Simulation:

http://youtu.be/Fqsoa1B7P9E

Crossroad Zombies:

http://youtu.be/viRFYWpq65I

Dreeps:

http://youtu.be/-bxKTsEpNxo

Fast Fishing:

http://youtu.be/HmoSuW2eOuY

Hammy Go Round:

http://youtu.be/LIxZNNARsYQ

Money Grabber:

http://youtu.be/SPIerV9jcpU

Retro Wings:

http://youtu.be/pUXXHs3U_bY

All of those came out today. Not all of them will be good, but damn, many look interesting enough to try and most of them are cheap enough that trying them isn't a hassle.

Saying that iOS lacks creativity is...well, ignorant, but I'm willing to let it slide because so many gamers don't give the platform credit and think it's total shit without any evidence backing their claims. In terms of variety and experimentation no other system is topping it aside from maybe PC currently.

[Henry Spencer]

So basically, puzzle games, visual novels with crap art, cheap looking adventure games, games made in flash (which remind me of Newgrounds, ah the days of high school), and the good ol' finger slashers (hey, they are fun, even I'll admit it). Out of those, I'd say Helix looks pretty good, but really if I'm going to devote my limited time [which I can't buy with money] to video games or phone games, I'll always choose the former, since the latter, as evidenced from your list (which I admit did not look at all of those examples, but get the jist of it) is what I surmise as just being time wasters with no real depth behind them. They are basically what I was expecting you to post about, the usual array of "creative" mobile phone games. Plus I just don't like iPhones/iPads anyway, nor do I like games that solely rely on touch screen interfaces.

Sorry not convinced.

Videogames are totally misogynist.

Whilst I agree, there is less games starring women as playable characters nowadays than there used to be in the past, but come on.

[OL]

I honestly don't think a topic like this should turn into too much in the way of debate or argument (it's a little too bate-y for that), but yeah, I'm not really seeing how any of those iOS games offer anything better than consoles do at the moment. Absolutely zero of those were anything original or new. Some look fun, but really, really not enough to make me shun consoles for good and turn to mobile gaming.
Sorry Himuro, but it doesn't sound like there's much wrong with gaming at the moment... you just sound jaded.
I'm not sure what you're hoping for when you go into new games, but all I can say is that I've had some amazing experiences recently with stuff like The Last of Us and Watch_Dogs. And there's a whole trail of games before that which were great as well. Not sure what to tell ya.

Videogames are totally misogynist.

Whilst I agree, there is less games starring women as playable characters nowadays than there used to be in the past, but come on.

Wait... less?
I feel like there are actually a lot more female gaming characters now than there were before. Last generation saw a big jump in that very subject...
Nilin from Remember Me, Faith from Mirror's Edge, Ellie from The Last of Us, Ellen Ripley from Alien Isolation, Aveline from Assassin's Creed Liberation, Ellen from Folklore, Bayonetta from Bayonetta.
Not to mention all the series from the past that have continued providing female playable characters up to now: Metroid, Koei's Warrors series, Resident Evil, the Deception series, the Siren games. Even Yakuza 5 finally lets you play as Haruka. That's a lot of ladies.

On the subject though, I think the word "misogyny" gets throw around a little too much. Misogyny is characterized by a hatred or dislike of women, but it's most commonly used by gamers to talk about how women are portrayed in games very often as titillation.
I dunno about anyone else, but the presence of hookers, strippers, or scantily-clad ladies doesn't really indicate a sense of hatred on the part of the devs to me...
Actually quite the opposite.
I don't think women would be sexualized so much in games if the developers didn't like women. That's like saying I hate gaming because I like good graphics. Or, more directly, like calling me a woman-hater because I love tits.

[Himuro]

*shrug*

They appeal to me just fine. I don't find any of the games you guys are posting about like Watch Dogs or TLOU to be interesting at all. Helps that I'm an arcade game fan at heart, and many of these are in that vein.

Honestly though, talking about game depth on a Shenmue board is pretty funny to me. Shenmue 1 and 2 are my favorite games, but I don't find them deep at all. You can mash most battles away. Most of the game is spent searching for things or talking to people. What depth? But it's still enjoyable all the same. What depth are console games offering exactly? Most of them today are glorified tour games with little in the way of gameplay mechnical depth or even replayability.

And console game quality hasn't gone down? Right now, Sony fans are hyping up shit like DriveClub (sucks) and The Order (looks like it sucks). I'll have a lot more fun with my mobile games, thank you.

My favorite genre, the japanese rpg, is all but dead at this point. I have a lot of reasons to be jaded, frankly. Especially towards Japanese games in general. What an awful place Japan gaming is in. Thank God for mobile, or I would quit the hobby entirely.

Honestly, Watch Dogs looks like one of the most generic and worst of the new sandbox games released for the new batch of systems. I'm shocked you're so keen on it OL.

I don't think women would be sexualized so much in games if the developers didn't like women. That's like saying I hate gaming because I like good graphics. Or, more directly, like calling me a woman-hater because I love tits.

It does indicate that they see women as sex objects and not equals. Thus, hate. Your argument makes no sense.

[Himuro]

More controversial opinions: Sonic adventure sucks. actually, all 3d sonic's suck. The only good Sonic's are 1-3 and Knuckles. CD is overrated as hell, and boring to a fault. It should be thrown in the had Sonic pile as well. The best Sonic is Sonic 1, and Sonic 2 is the worst game of the good Sonic games.

[OL]

I don't think women would be sexualized so much in games if the developers didn't like women. That's like saying I hate gaming because I like good graphics. Or, more directly, like calling me a woman-hater because I love tits.

It does indicate that they see women as sex objects and not equals. Thus, hate. Your argument makes no sense.

It's funny, you talking about a lack of depth in anything, then pull out probably the shallowest view on this particular subject possible. You can't generalize everyone's views on it just because a few scantily-clad women appear on screen.
Having respect for women and finding them sexy are not conflicting views in the slightest.
I respect my fiance to the ends of the fucking Earth; she's smarter, harder-working, and funnier than I am, without fault.
But do I love seeing her naked?
Hell yes.
That doesn't diminish my respect for her at all.
Opening it up to entire groups of people, representing a few women as eye-candy in a game doesn't say a single thing about how the developers all view women as a whole. Jumping to the conclusion that it represents hate is absolutely silly. People tend to be a little more complicated than you're giving them credit for.

Honestly though, talking about game depth on a Shenmue board is pretty funny to me. Shenmue 1 and 2 are my favorite games, but I don't find them deep at all. You can mash most battles away. Most of the game is spent searching for things or talking to people. What depth? But it's still enjoyable all the same.

It absolutely is enjoyable. But then, nobody said anything about how deep Shenmue is. And nobody said something couldn't be enjoyable without depth.
And just because these board started primarily as a Shenmue forum, why does that make it funny that we can have grown-up conversations with each other that do involve depth? More than half the time, I'm not even talking about Shenmue. I spend most of my time on here focusing on other subjects entirely.

I don't find any of the games you guys are posting about like Watch Dogs or TLOU to be interesting at all...
...Honestly, Watch Dogs looks like one of the most generic and worst of the new sandbox games released for the new batch of systems. I'm shocked you're so keen on it OL.

So you haven't even played either of them I guess?
From a visual perspective, Watch_Dogs is pretty generic, sure. I won't deny that. But the fun comes from the gameplay. It has, for my money, some of the most entertaining car chases I've ever played in anything, because it offers abilities that no other game does. And the same goes for the on-foot sections as well. I've never seen another game that so deftly flows together car chases leading into on-foot gunfights leading back into car chases before, not to mention all of the legitimate puzzle gaming it employs as well. You can judge it from the outside all you like, but you won't actually get an idea of what the game is like by giving up consoles entirely.
And I didn't expect The Last of Us to wow me quite as much as it did to begin with; I actually expected that I'd dislike it, honestly. but it changed my mind as I played through it and grew to understand the characters, the scenario, and the way the story was being told.
If anything, I'd just recommend that you actually play things before judging them so harshly. The fact that Samurai Warriors 4 offered nothing new doesn't exactly say anything about the gaming industry as a whole (though I'm totally confused as to why you would have expected anything other than repetition from that series anyway).

[Himuro]

Finding women sexy and having respect for women are totally possible, and I never said they weren't. But saying that they aren't misogynistic because having women in boob outfits proves you LIKE women is illogical given the historical fact that women have been treated like sex dolls with nothing to offer other than pussy.

There's a thin line to be crossed. Women can be completely sexy fully clothed. More than that, a woman can be respectful without clothing, as well if she owns her sexuality. The problem is that many games don't offer that balance, and needlessly make all the female characters sexy regardless of intent. It also wouldn't be misogynistic if games were more equal. They aren't. Most female characters flaunt their assets without any of the same treatment being aimed at the male characters. I like men, and I certainly don't think sexuality for women and men are spread even across the medium. The premise that gaming is misogynistic is that games treat men MUCH better than it treats women. You should probably ask your fiancee' if she thinks if games treat men and women equally.

As for Watch Dogs and TLOU, I've played a bit of them, and neither are impressive. I'm a big fan of open-world games, and Watch Dogs is among the least impressive in the genre I've ever seen. I was not impressed by TLOU, either, and find The Walking Dead more appealing. When did I say I never played TLOU or Watch Dogs? Where did these assumptions even come from?

As for Samurai Warriors 4, I buy those games knowing what I'm getting. I didn't get what I wanted. My disappointment from that game had literally nothing to do with offering new, and my dislike of the game is a totally separate argument. However, it builds up the mere fact that these days I'm more disappointed by games than I enjoy them and there comes a time to know when to call it quits.

[Himuro]

To show how poor your argument is, I'm going to rewrite it from the viewpoint of a hip hop fan:

"I don't think women would be sexualized so much in rap if the rappers didn't like women. That's like saying I hate rap because I like good beats. Or, more directly, like calling me a woman-hater because I love tits."

Here's an actual rap video for posterity:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T4W8hdegL3g

Watch the video.

Then read this Wikipedia entry.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny

Then go back to your argument and look at how sexualized women are compared to men, and look at the Wikipedia entry again.

[OL]

But then, these rappers are also showcasing and endorsing a certain way of living, because yes, obviously, they have no respect for women. They're putting it on display that they believe this is how life ought to be.
Game development is hardly in the same boat. Telling stories, making jokes, and immersing a player in an artificial world with an intended tone doesn't necessarily denote the collective attitudes of the development team. Creating escapism does not always reflect its creators' viewpoints. Game development is a little more complex than making some rhymes about how much you like to fuck.

And at the same time, I reject the definition of misogyny that you (and most people, actually) are putting forth anyway; a lack of respect does not denote hate. Hate is a very specific emotion, and just because I have no respect for most of my coworkers, it in no way means that I hate them. It's like saying that if I respect someone, I love them. It's not the same thing in the slightest.

Oh, and:

When did I say I never played TLOU or Watch Dogs? Where did these assumptions even come from?

You said that Watch_Dogs "looks" generic, etc etc. Didn't say is, so the assumption that you hadn't played it was reasonable.

[Himuro]

While true there's a difference between lack of respect and hate, the results aren't that different.

[Chaos]

Zelda isn't fun
Donkey Kong Country is better than DKC2
FF9 is the best final fantasy
sonic adventure is better than sonic adventure 2 (even though neither aged well at all, and nobody's levels besides sonics and shadows are even playable anymore)

[Axm]

Heavy Rain and Beyond were good games.

The battle system/fighting mechanics in the Yakuza games is bad.

I like Zelda, but its over-rated.

Resident Evil tank controls are great.

I liked FF13.

[Calshot]

Videogames are totally misogynist.

Who cares?

[Rakim]

@Himuro