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Re: Politics

Postby Mr. Frozen » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:41 am

Eh, I could write a full essay about climate change, but I'll just say "climate change denier" is a word invented by the left. No one really denies that earth's climate is changing, but the argument is if it is caused my man made emissions or not. Trump doesn't think the federal government should handle public education for fear of indoctrinating the youth, which I think is a very valid fear considering nearly all young people are encouraged to get a 4 year degree when trade schools are a completely valid alternative. I could write another essay on that, as well.... Anyway, Trump actually said he wanted to get rid of the education department, he wants that stuff to be left to the States. As for the secretary of state, Exxon is a worldwide country and Tillerson had to make international deals as a result. Trump doesn't trust politicians and strongly believes in capitalism. Appointing the CEO of a large worldwide energy company was probably a no-brainier to him.

Honestly, the media has a heavy left bias and every single decision Trump makes is treated as the end of the world. There is also a large cultural bias towards the left among the youth and on the internet. To get any sort of fair analysis you need to really consider the side of issues that you do not agree on. Personally I use BBC as my primary news source. US media is so biased that I have to outsource the news. BBC isn't perfect but they are leagues better than any major news organization here in the US.

based on all the pushback he is getting, I think Trump is going to be examined through a microscope for the next 4 years, and will be held accountable for everything he does. This is GOOD. IMO, he really is what the US needs right now.

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Re: Politics

Postby Sonikku » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:21 am

I strongly disagree with the notion that he is the president America needs, though certainly, if nothing else, he is the president we deserve. He has played you for a fool if you earnestly believe he gives a damn about jobs going to Americans. He employs foreigners in the manufacturing of his own damn goods for pete sakes Frozen.

Trump blasted the practice on the Late Show as Letterman looked through his so called signature line of clothing he was plugging only for it to be exposed it as part of the same. Trump is guilty of basically every business practice imaginable he now blasts businesses for. "Rules for all of you, none for me". It could not be more ironic that so many prop him up on a pedestal as the solution to these behaviors when he himself has always been part of the problem.

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Re: Politics

Postby Thief » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:52 am

The thing about responding to politics is that it's largely speculation on the possibility of future events. Everybody is fundamentally misinformed in one way or another, and future events have no truth value until they occur, so it's only in hindsight that any political thought has any impact - as a reflection on what's happened. But as for voting, or predicting the "correct" political structure? Might as well just sit back and see what happens. I mean, I could argue all day with other misinformed and speculative people on what is "going to happen", but I just don't see the point. I'd rather focus my efforts reacting to the the changes of political structures, rather than believing I have any sort of ability to change them. In short, I no longer give a fuck. Things will happen and nobody knows if they will be good until they are/n't. Whatever.
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Re: Politics

Postby Mr. Frozen » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:07 pm

Sonikku wrote: I strongly disagree with the notion that he is the president America needs, though certainly, if nothing else, he is the president we deserve. He has played you for a fool if you earnestly believe he gives a damn about jobs going to Americans. He employs foreigners in the manufacturing of his own damn goods for pete sakes Frozen.

Trump blasted the practice on the Late Show as Letterman looked through his so called signature line of clothing he was plugging only for it to be exposed it as part of the same. Trump is guilty of basically every business practice imaginable he now blasts businesses for. "Rules for all of you, none for me". It could not be more ironic that so many prop him up on a pedestal as the solution to these behaviors when he himself has always been part of the problem.


He isn't blasting the business practice, he is blasting the fact that it is happening. After all, a businessman who refuses to acknowledge the reality of the market is a businessman that is going to be out of a job. Given his experience, one would assume he fully understands why companies are moving overseas and not hiring Americans, which is what makes him qualified to fix the problem. Calling trump a hypocrite because of those business practices is like calling a vet a hypocrite because they have to sometimes euthanize animals, or amputate animal limbs. Doesn't mean the vet isn't able to invent a new procedure that prevents the disease that forced him to euthanize the creature.

Thief wrote: The thing about responding to politics is that it's largely speculation on the possibility of future events. Everybody is fundamentally misinformed in one way or another, and future events have no truth value until they occur, so it's only in hindsight that any political thought has any impact - as a reflection on what's happened. But as for voting, or predicting the "correct" political structure? Might as well just sit back and see what happens. I mean, I could argue all day with other misinformed and speculative people on what is "going to happen", but I just don't see the point. I'd rather focus my efforts reacting to the the changes of political structures, rather than believing I have any sort of ability to change them. In short, I no longer give a fuck. Things will happen and nobody knows if they will be good until they are/n't. Whatever.


I think the fact that people are misinformed is an argument for encouraging political discussion. But, the problem is that so many people make their preferred politicians or political party part of their identity so they take offense to any opposing views. Good for politicians because that is how you create loyal followers, but bad for the general populace. It is bad because once you make your politics part of your identity, you end up painting anyone who thinks differently than you as a 'bad person'. Then you start associating people who dress a certain way with the opposing view.... then you start judging on other aspects of their physical appearance such as skin color or sand. Then... oops! You are now a bigot, racist or sexist!

By talking to each other about your political views then you are forced to reevaluate your stance because people will expect you to have a decent reason for believing things the way you do. I mean damn, just look at this guy who got a ton of KKK members to disavow by befriending them. On the other end of the spectrum, here are a bunch of people with good intentions who end up painting black people are lazy and poor people who don't even know how to get on the internet.

If your views are never challenged you end up believing that the stupidest shit is right.

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Re: Politics

Postby MiTT3NZ » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:13 pm

I wish this was an actual room in reality rather than a topic so I could just lock you all in n pump smoke through the vents.
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Re: Politics

Postby Thief » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:12 pm

MiTT3NZ wrote: I wish this was an actual room in reality rather than a topic so I could just lock you all in n pump smoke through the vents.


no you don't. you're a big softie and you know it.
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Re: Politics

Postby Raithos » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:06 pm

MiTT3NZ wrote: I wish this was an actual room in reality rather than a topic so I could just lock you all in n pump smoke through the vents.


Is the smoke medicinal?
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Re: Politics

Postby south carmain » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:16 pm

Raithos wrote:
MiTT3NZ wrote: I wish this was an actual room in reality rather than a topic so I could just lock you all in n pump smoke through the vents.


Is the smoke medicinal?

Yes, it heals society.
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Re: Politics

Postby Mr. Frozen » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:08 am

I like watching the confirmation hearings for Trump's cabinet picks. I haven't really had the change to watch them in all in full, but I did like how Mattis handled his hearing even though some people such as Graham were openly hostile to him. I like how he answered the question in the beginning that was posed be the New York senator at the beginning:

Senator: "Do you believe that allowing LGBT americans to serve in the military, or women in combat is undermining our lethality?"
Mattis: "Frankly, senator, I've never cared much about two consenting adults and who they go to bed with."

It was such a bullshit question that was irrelevant to his job and he dismissed it perfectly.

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Re: Politics

Postby St. Elmo's Fire » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:37 pm

Mr. Frozen wrote: So, apparently some internet troll emailed a congressman (John Mcain, maybe? I don't really remember) some fanfic he wrote. The fanfic was in the form of a UK intelligence report that said all sort of crazy things about Trump and his collusion with the Russian. I think at one point there was a detailed account of how trump performed sexual anime (hentai) acts for the Russians??? It was forwarded to the FBI or some shit and then eventually buzzfeed got a hold of it and posted it yesterday because they have literally no standards. I skimmed over the "report", and I immediately dismissed it as nonsense. In my recent past I spent some time in the US intelligence community where I wrote and read thousands of intel reports, including ones from nations that are part of five eyes. That bullshit report had its classification way the fuck off (it was classified as confidential, in the UK classification system it should've been classified as Secret at least since it dealt with a potential future president), the style of writing was way the fuck off from any UK intel document I read, and the formatting was just flat out wrong. Anyone with any sort of expertise would be able to immediately spot it as a fake, including any sort of respectable journalist. That is probably why CNN distanced themselves from it during the initial article, they knew that there was no way they could verify that load of crap.

Last night CNN placed a link to the buzzfeed article, which was based off that bogus document along with some other Russia nonsense on their front page last night. Earlier today Trump held a press conference. At the beginning of the conference Pence, and some other dude who I don't remember immediately denounced the media. During the Q&A session of the conference, he denied CNN any questions, saying they were "fake news" I thought it was all pretty hilarious and very well warranted. It is a nice change from the cloak and dagger doubletalking bullshit that the government and their intelligence agencies have been pulling for nearly the past 3 decades. Fuck, now that I think about it that has been my entire life (I turn 30 in 6 days)

EDIT: I should post links, I think

Buzzfeed article
CNN's article(they edited this morning, I can't find the original version of the article they posted last night. Take note that at the end of the video in the article that they say that they cannot confirm the allegations)
full press conference


I've not read it, but I did read a related story somewhere yesterday (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump- ... 00350.html), about some former MI6 guy who wrote the report (which sounds like the exact same one that Buzzfeed and some other bigger medias talked about, since this whole "Trump is working for Putin" thing has even been forced on the rest of the world too) is now "on the run to avoid assassination by Russia agents".
I just sort of rolled my eyes, because if he was former MI6, working in a heavily CCTV'd and policed place like London, in a company with other former clandestine people, then surely he stands a better chance than pretty much anyone of seeing an assassination attempt coming, and avoiding it?

Now that you say it looks like he didn't even work for any intel organisation though, then yeah, maybe he should watch his back! :lol:

The whole "Russia bad" thing annoys me already to a quite immense degree anyway...
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Re: Politics

Postby St. Elmo's Fire » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:10 pm

How is it that the roles have been reversed in this election?
It used to be that "liberal" people hated wars and "republicans" were stereotyped as warmongers.

Now, Hilary fans seem to be almost pissed off that The Donald is being civil to the Russians and nuclear annihilation is less likely?
I know "liberal" is now just a label and people who actually literally do live up to that word probably hate all of it, but Christ, even though republicans lived up to their stereotype when they invaded Iraq, why did the liberals abandon most of their principles by having the Obama admin destabilise the world to an even greater degree, with Libya ("We came. We saw. He died! ROFL! :lol: " - Hilary when shown Gaddafi's snuff-vid.) and Syria being toppled/nearly toppled respectively?
A country's opposing govts (democrats vs republicans in US, Labour and Conservatives in the UK) doing more or less the same things when in office is nothing new, but the eight years of the Obama admin seemed to actually manage to have a worse and more inflammatory foreign policy than Bush did...
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Re: Politics

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Re: Politics

Postby St. Elmo's Fire » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:33 pm

Trump's in charge now.

Time to make the world great again! 8)

(tho America first of course! ;-) )
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Re: Politics

Postby Mr. Frozen » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:22 pm

Trump sure as hell isn't going to make the world great again. If he allows Mattis (who just got confirmed yesterday, he is offically the secretary of defense now) to decisively end the war on terror, the rest of the world will improve due to the lack of terrorist attacks, but that is it. He campaigned on the "America is first, fuck everyone else" stance. If he is to keep his promises, the rest of the world will have to go without the aid of the US for at least 5 years.

The news about President Trump is pretty frivolous right now (his press secretary started a battle with the press about the size of the inauguration crowd.... really?) but I am sure the next few months will be filled with meaty policy decisions from Trump. He already signed a couple of executive orders. The first one is about the ACA, but I can't find the text online. Perhaps these orders will be available on whitehouse.gov soon.
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Re: Politics

Postby Sokora » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:04 pm

Mr. Frozen wrote: Eh, I could write a full essay about climate change, but I'll just say "climate change denier" is a word invented by the left. No one really denies that earth's climate is changing, but the argument is if it is caused my man made emissions or not. Trump doesn't think the federal government should handle public education for fear of indoctrinating the youth, which I think is a very valid fear considering nearly all young people are encouraged to get a 4 year degree when trade schools are a completely valid alternative. I could write another essay on that, as well.... Anyway, Trump actually said he wanted to get rid of the education department, he wants that stuff to be left to the States. As for the secretary of state, Exxon is a worldwide country and Tillerson had to make international deals as a result. Trump doesn't trust politicians and strongly believes in capitalism. Appointing the CEO of a large worldwide energy company was probably a no-brainier to him.

Honestly, the media has a heavy left bias and every single decision Trump makes is treated as the end of the world. There is also a large cultural bias towards the left among the youth and on the internet. To get any sort of fair analysis you need to really consider the side of issues that you do not agree on. Personally I use BBC as my primary news source. US media is so biased that I have to outsource the news. BBC isn't perfect but they are leagues better than any major news organization here in the US.

based on all the pushback he is getting, I think Trump is going to be examined through a microscope for the next 4 years, and will be held accountable for everything he does. This is GOOD. IMO, he really is what the US needs right now.


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