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Re: Politics

Postby Sonikku » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:47 am

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Sonikku wrote: So no one is going to pass off the article I linked above as fake news?? If not, anyone here that thinks it's good policy?


Invasive medical scrutiny that could easily extend to their relatives, potentially putting whole families at risk for discrimination is sure what America needs right now (sarcasm).

It may seem like a no brainer to you and I, although I've seen arguments from some that advocate it as being essential to "businesses' rights". Sometimes I feel as though I live in a different reality from Americans.
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Re: Politics

Postby InsanityIsCrazy » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:32 am

Sonikku wrote:
sand4fish wrote:
Sonikku wrote: So no one is going to pass off the article I linked above as fake news?? If not, anyone here that thinks it's good policy?


Invasive medical scrutiny that could easily extend to their relatives, potentially putting whole families at risk for discrimination is sure what America needs right now (sarcasm).

It may seem like a no brainer to you and I, although I've seen arguments from some that advocate it as being essential to "businesses' rights". Sometimes I feel as though I live in a different reality from Americans.


Identity politics warps reality for a lot of Americans. For capital R Republicans, you live in a country that's being flooded with mexican drug cartels and suicidal middle-easterns. You're also chancing your pensions to limp-wristed unemployable college kids who whine about White Privilege and think institutional education should be funded by the powers of virtue signalling and Good Feels.

For capital D Democrats, you live in a country that's rapidly changing into the Russian-led Fourth Reich led by Der Orangemensch. Nazis freely roam the streets, knocking hijabs off of transgender middle-eastern women, spraying neon swastikas on sidewalks, and sending death mobs to your house via Twitter.

It's making life pretty bonkers for everyone caught between those extremes.

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Re: Politics

Postby Mr. Frozen » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:19 pm

Sonikku wrote: So no one is going to pass off the article I linked above as fake news?? If not, anyone here that thinks it's good policy?


Eh, I think it is more of a sign that our shitty insurance system needs to go. In the past corporations were allowed to pay their employees in tokens to buy things such as food and hosing. Of course the only place that accepted these tokens was the company that was handing them out. Companies being able to provide insurance to their employees reminds me of that old system, which forces an employee to be reliant on the company. If we are to keep this shitty insurance system, just make it so that people can afford to pay for basic healthcare.

I think this bill will be shot down, though. This is literally allowing discrimination based on race (what is race other than your genetic history?), and if it does pass and employees start using such measures, I can see it heading straight to the supreme court to be ruled unconstitutional. Employers shouldn't be able to pick and choose who gets healthcare or pay someone less just because of their "genetic history."

EDIT: I also was sure to read the full text (I can't trust anything other than primary sources these days) here. Thanfully the bill is short enough to read and easily digest. I found that the article covers what the bill says pretty well and it is certainly not fake news.
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Re: Politics

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Re: Politics

Postby Sonikku » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:32 pm

Senate votes to undo Obama-era internet privacy rules

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-vote ... acy-rules/

"The regulations would have required a company like Verizon to get approval before telling an advertiser what websites customers visited, what apps they used, their health and financial information, or their physical location. Under the regulations, many more people likely would have chosen not to allow their data to be shared than if they had to take an extra step of asking a company to stop sharing or selling their information.

Industry groups and Republicans protested the regulations."
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Re: Politics

Postby Sonikku » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:09 pm

The house approved the measure too. Trump says he's going to sign it into the law.

https://www.cnet.com/news/house-votes-t ... dband-fcc/

Unbelievable.
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Re: Politics

Postby sand4fish » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:38 am

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Re: Politics

Postby Mr. Frozen » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:54 am

he government's stance on communications privacy has always been rather worrying to the average uninformed citizen. No matter who takes office in the US, it appears that the citizens will get fucked in one way or another. Republicans want to give corporations access to privacy, the democrats want intelligence agencies to get access to our privacy. Same bullshit, different methods.

I've been telling people for years that no one can do shit against encrypted data, or data rerouted through VPNs. Even in the worst case scenario, where ISPs give priority access for certain websites, you can literally just set up a remote server that you can SSH tunnel into. Any sort of communications should be encrypted, but the government will never allow that because there is too much benefit in being able to monitor all data being transferred in your country. Also, quantum computers will make breaking current common encryption methods trivial, but there are quantum resistant encryption methods that exist right now. Those methods probably wont even see any real public use until quantum computers become available for the average business.
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Re: Politics

Postby Sonikku » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:25 am

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Re: Politics

Postby south carmain » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:33 pm

Well so much for an isolationist USA under trump.
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Re: Politics

Postby Sonikku » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:55 pm

south carmain wrote: Well so much for an isolationist USA under trump.

If you believed that, Trump has a wall to sell you.
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Re: Politics

Postby Mr. Frozen » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:50 am

All things considered, I think the decision to launch the missiles was the best one for Trump, and is a decision that just about any other president would've made. The missile launch was a response to the alleged use of chemical weapons. If Trump did nothing the Russian operative bullshit intensifies, other world leaders view him as weak and indecisive, and maybe more chemical weapon attacks occur. If Trump attacks he demolishes the Russian narrative, is seen as decisive, and at least one facility with chemical weapons is destroyed. The Russians can get pissed off, but what are they gonna do? Launch nukes at the US and start WWIII? Come on. The Syrians can attack the small amount of troops we have over there, but I don't think that will happen, and here is why:

This entire situation is fucky. Why would Assad use chemical weapons against his own people in a war that he is practically winning? Chemical weapons that he allegedly threw away years ago? This is why Putin wanted an investigation done before any action was made, because the attack makes no sense. I think the most likely scenario is that one of Assad's senior officers ordered this for whatever reason, and since Syria doesn't have the checks and balances that most western militaries have, rogue action like this can occur. Assad still has to take the blame, though. Assad will not declare war against the US over this blunder, provided the casualty count is low. He has absolutely everything to lose in declaring war against another country while his own country is in a state of civil war.
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Re: Politics

Postby south carmain » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:51 am

I see 3 possibilities, the one you mentioned, the Syrians testing the Trump administration or the rebels gassing themselves as a desperate measure to draw in US intervention. Somehow I doubt it's Assad though seeing how just a week ago Trump basically legitimized his government. Then again it is an Arab state where people get important jobs based on who daddy knows so I wouldn't be surprised if one of his high ranking officials was stupid enough to make such a mistake, his inability to purge his father's government like he wanted to might just be the end of him.
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Re: Politics

Postby St. Elmo's Fire » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:52 pm

The talk on the media took me right back to the Iraq war buildup in 2003, so I immediately thought false-flag.

Apparently Trump phoned Putin to tell Assad that this attack was gonna take place though?

Also, Frozen, since you know a lot about this stuff, I've seen a lot of comments today in reply to other people comparing this situation to Iraq, saying that Iraq DID have WMDs but they hid them under the ground in Syria when the inspectors came the last time before the invasion. Any truth to that? Some of them even suggest that the gas missiles Saddam hid were found by Assad and used all the times he has "apparently" done so already...
Would sure seem strange that the WMDs were considered important enough to invade a country for, but then to stop caring about them and looking for them the second Saddam was taken down...

I think Iraq is still a pertinent point mind you. Look how awfully it's ended up, and how much debt the main countries are now in. If UK people actually WANT another potentially never-ending Middle Eastern war with full UK involvement (unfortunately such saps who actually genuinely do believe that the UK and USA are white knights above reproach and full of goodness and therefore SHOULD be Policing the world actually do exist), then they'd better NEVER EVER complain the next time the govt doesn't have enough money for services like the NHS that we as taxpayers NEED, way more than we "need" a war with someone who may be bad, but isn't a threat to the UK or USA.

If a messy shooting war that involves Russia then happens, I for one will absolutely dodgy any draft or requirement to start working at a munitions factory. Not a chance I am gonna have my life put in even more risk just because some politicians couldn't be fucked to keep their egos in check...
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Re: Politics

Postby Sonikku » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:20 pm

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