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MiTT3NZ wrote:
Himuro wrote:Thank you Sandfish.
I used to think that the universe was chaotic. But I'm starting to see a little order in it. The fact that something like gravity exists at all suggests order is real. Laws, atoms, the fact all life forms on Earth are made of carbon, the fact that we're made of "star stuff" hints that there is more order than I care to admit. And it humbles me in awe.
The more I ruminate over it the more I realize that atheism is a poverty of philosophical thought and the more I start to lean agnostic theist.
Monkei wrote:Himuro wrote:Thank you Sandfish.
I used to think that the universe was chaotic. But I'm starting to see a little order in it. The fact that something like gravity exists at all suggests order is real. Laws, atoms, the fact all life forms on Earth are made of carbon, the fact that we're made of "star stuff" hints that there is more order than I care to admit. And it humbles me in awe.
The more I ruminate over it the more I realize that atheism is a poverty of philosophical thought and the more I start to lean agnostic theist.
Sure there is order, in everything. The universe has physical/natural/call them whatever you like laws, which determine everything that happens in it. It's all grand and great and breathtaking when you think about it, but in no way is "order -> creator" or the other way around ever a logical conclusion to those observations. This universe wasn't "made" in a way for you to he able to exist and function in it. Nobody thought of you and then created the perfect surroundings and conditions. Those conditions just were. And then you came to be because the conditions not only allowed it, but determned it. And hey, what's that "you" you're thinking is doing all that thinking anyway? A bunch of other, smaller organisms that have influence from within, a bunch of outer influences, a bunch of memories. An organic computer that digests its surroundings the only way it can. Part of a species that had the mental and bodily (bigger brains, hands with thumbs, other stuff) abilities to create signs that represent sounds or ideas, which gave room to expand what was already written down, which in turn lead to new thoughts (all made possible through language), which then again expanded the collected knowledge and so on and so on. That inderdependency of language and thought lead to the way we perceive reality today. It's all nature, all physics, all microorganisms and atoms and quantum physics and whatever. Not only do we in no meaningful way differ from the other animals - in the end we don't differ from anything in this universe. Not the chair you're sitting in, the smartphone you're holding or that cloud in the sky outside your window. "You" don't really exist. At least that's my take on it. Now go back to feeling bad about yourself.
Hello, my name is Jeremy, and I’m going to let you know why I’m an atheist. But before I do that, I’m going to address some of the many misinformed preconceptions of atheists.
Atheists must have had a bad upbringing: This is an overstated and unfounded observation. Many, if not most of us (myself included) had a great childhood. I had parents that cared for me, I lived in a good neighborhood, and I didn’t associate with bad influences. As a matter of fact, my parents made me go to church.
Why are you atheists so angry with god?: There’s a couple things that are wrong with this. First I’m going to reiterate that we don’t believe in god, so we definitely aren’t mad at him. And if there is anything we may be angry about it is most likely a result of religious privilege, lawmakers trying to tear down the wall separating church and state, and bigotry.
Atheists don’t believe in anything: This one is particularly frustrating. Just because we don’t believe in god, doesn’t mean we don’t believe in anything. We believe in compassion, love, and doing right by everybody, regardless of beliefs or lack thereof.
What is the point to living if there is no afterlife?: The answer to this one is simple. This is the only life we have, so we should live it to the fullest, and do everything in our power to leave the world a better place than it was when we came into it.
Without god, what is keeping you from killing or raping somebody?: First of all, if god is the only thing keeping you from doing these things, please stay away from my family and get help. I think we can all agree that life is a lot better when there isn’t so much negativity. Doing bad things makes you feel bad and does harm to others, why would we want to do that?
Atheists eat babies: No we don't, don’t be stupid.
Atheists worship Satan: We don’t believe in Satan any more than we believe in god. So this is untrue.
If you don’t believe in god, why do you spend money that says “In god we trust” on it?: Unfortunately at this time we don’t have much of a choice now do we? There are many groups fighting to replace “In god we trust” with the original motto (E Pluribus Unum). Let’s hope this is made possible so it is fair across the board.
Why can’t you just leave religious people alone?: If somebody wants to practice their faith on their own time, without inconveniencing anybody else, then go for it, no skin off my back. There are, however, various situations that it is NOT ok to discuss your faith. Here are a few examples if you’re unsure about what I mean: A teacher in a public, tax funded school cannot impose their faith upon students (this is perfectly fine in private schools). Another example is a lawmaker who uses their religion in political decisions, that’s a big no no. Should I go for a third example? Yes? Ok, an officer of the law, who gets paid by taxpayers, cannot proselytize while on duty. These are a few real life situations that actually happen, and unfortunately in most of these situations, they go unchecked. So in those situations, no, we will not leave you alone. Not anymore.
Ok, now that we got that out of the way, let’s get to the meat and potatoes of why I am an atheist. So here goes. The reason I don’t believe in god is simply because I’ve not been given any evidence to support that god exists.
That’s it.
I know that you feel him and that too many things happened in your life for you not to believe.
I know that the trees and the clouds are proof to you. It isn't.
I know that the bible says it, so that must be proof. It isn't.
I get it. Really, I do.
I understand that you were most likely raised to believe what you believe. I understand it is comforting to you. And more power to you, if you find solace in god, who am I to stop that?
But you have to understand where we come from if you’re truly going to understand us as people.
If I told you there was an invisible pink unicorn standing behind you, you’d want proof. And if I told you that you can’t prove it doesn’t exist, you wouldn’t accept that.
It’s the same thing with god. If you cannot provide evidence to support it, you can’t be upset when we don’t believe you.
I will leave it with this. There are many people who are closet atheists, but who are stuck in situations (religious families, relationships, communities) and may feel they are alone. My message to you is, you aren't. You shouldn’t have to hide who you really are to satisfy somebody else's beliefs of who you should be. Reach out. There’s groups like the United Coalition of Reason that can help you connect with likeminded people.
We're all in this together.
dbzruler88 wrote:I am still debating whether to include something about the many contradictions in the bible (like night and day being created before the sun, or when Adam and Eve had 2 sons, Kane and Abel, and then Kane killed Abel and went to live among the people in the land of Nod.....where the hell did the people in the land of Nod come from?!), but i'm not sure if it fits with the theme of the essay.
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