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How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:38 amby Telekill
Hello all,
I was in a chat today with some friends playing Destiny 2 and we ended up on the topic of Shenmue. One of those I was talking too automatically had a negative reaction to the mention of the series. I'm not sure if he had ever actually played them as I didn't get the chance to really ask. He automatically blurted out "Why does anyone like that game? It's just a QTE game."
I stopped him in his tracks stating that I was in on Shenmue 3 for over $100. Now, unfortunately, the conversation quickly changed to in game happenings as the action ramped up but it left me thinking... what is the best way to change someone's mind on Shenmue that appears to have preconceived notions that are obviously incorrect? Is it just a matter of a lack of information about the series? Do I simply urge him to try it?
Have you guys ran into this? What do you do?
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:32 pmby BlueCreeperBoy12
Just explain what it actually is i guess. I dunno. I had a similar thing with my brother, just saying that it's boring and slow without actually playing it.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:57 pmby elfshadowreaper
Telekill wrote: “It's just a QTE game.”
He set up your counter argument right there. You know Shenmue is more than QTEs. But he’s doing what we all do at times. He has a preconceived idea of what the game is and never dug deeper about why people like it so much.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:40 pmby TwiceFriedRice
Use the Force.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:51 pmby OL
Does it really matter? If he's not interested, it's entirely possible that he's just not interested. If he immediately knew what it was (regardless of how ignorant he is to the gameplay), no doubt he knows what its aesthetics are; that of it being steeped in Japanese/Chinese culture and all that. Typically that's the most appealing aspect for the majority of the series' fans. So if that, in itself, isn't enough to get him to play it, then it's probably just not something he's gonna dig.
There are games like that for me too; stuff like Mass Effect or the Witcher come to mind. I already know what they are and know they're never gonna be favorites of mine, so I'd rather no one was setting out on a mission to "change my mind" about them. I'm just not interested. So I'd say, for people like that... just let it be. Not everyone has to like Shenmue.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:07 amby Riku Rose
OL wrote: Does it really matter? If he's not interested, it's entirely possible that he's just not interested.
NO! Shenmue is the best and most influential game ever and anyone who dislikes it clearly doesn’t understand or is an idiot! You’re clearly a Shenmue hater and want Shenmue 3 to fail.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:34 amby Shenmue_Legend
Your friend actually said that while he plays crap like Destiny?! That's pretty stupid.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:23 pmby killthesagabeforeitkillsu
Telekill wrote: Hello all,
I was in a chat today with some friends playing Destiny 2 and we ended up on the topic of Shenmue. One of those I was talking too automatically had a negative reaction to the mention of the series. I'm not sure if he had ever actually played them as I didn't get the chance to really ask. He automatically blurted out "Why does anyone like that game? It's just a QTE game."
I stopped him in his tracks stating that I was in on Shenmue 3 for over $100. Now, unfortunately, the conversation quickly changed to in game happenings as the action ramped up but it left me thinking... what is the best way to change someone's mind on Shenmue that appears to have preconceived notions that are obviously incorrect? Is it just a matter of a lack of information about the series? Do I simply urge him to try it?
Have you guys ran into this? What do you do?
Tell your friend QTEs are just a mini game and that the game is mainly a 3D beat them up RPG with a strong narrative.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:09 pmby VukBZ2005
OL wrote: just let it be. Not everyone has to like Shenmue.
I agree. Not everyone has to like Shenmue. Although I'd like it if more played the Shenmue series, we'd do fine with
enough of the fanbase buying SIII. That's what counts.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:24 pmby OL
killthesagabeforeitkillsu wrote:Tell your friend QTEs are just a mini game and that the game is mainly a 3D beat them up RPG with a strong narrative.
Well... that's not really what it is either, if we look at it honestly.
The beat-em-up elements are only as prominent as the QTE sequences, so you may as well call them a minigame as well. It's no more a beat-em-up than Indigo Prophecy/Farenheit was.
And calling it an "RPG" is, especially in the modern videogame sense of the genre, wholly misleading. It was a branding that the devs put on the game back in the day mainly because RPGs were the top-selling genre in Japan, so just about everything was being advertised as "RPG." The only RPG-esque thing about it is the fact that you can improve your moveset through use, but nowadays everything from Devil May Cry to Call of Duty to Dead By Daylight to Assassin's Creed has that.
It's always been strange to me that the series' fans rarely ever refer to the series with the most obvious genre label available: Adventure.
It's vague, sure, but it's far more accurate than most other labels the series tends to get saddled with. I'd say the series really has more in common, from a pacing and progression standpoint, with old point-n-click adventure games, just with more freedom and variety.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:22 pmby sand4fish
It's not that hard. I just tell anyone over 30 that if they have ever played a Sierra or Lucasarts game from the 90s, like Grim Fandango, Full Throttle, Gabriel Knight and Phantasmagoria, that will be what Shenmue will feel most like but now with the sensibilities of a "open world" type of game. If they are younger, I tell them it's kinda like Until Dawn, Heavy Rain but with a martial arts thematic and an emphasis on a single protagonist as the player, and again a more open world approach instead of the episodic scope of those games. Deadly Premonition would be up there as well, but I wonder how many people actually know or played the game.
It's just a matter of whether people are into the adventure genre.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:38 amby MiTT3NZ
@OL: Nah, it's FREE. Genre unto itself n all that.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:49 amby Bambi
Tell them it's about a grieving son on a mission to avenge a man who emotionally blackmailed him into eating vegetables.
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:31 pmby shredingskin
You have to take it slowly, just do some casual chat, about nothing in particular, then you start to throw little hints about the game and how good it is, when you gain his affection, you bang his mom.
Really, you just have to say that has eclectic gameplay and it's quite unique, it's not for everyone but you might like it.
Then if he doesn't want to play it or doesn't like it, it's his shitty taste and should be killed (but make sure to bang his mother first, so you can show it the video, added points if you put shenmue music as background).
Re: How to Change Someone's Mind?
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:46 pmby RootyKazooty
Tricky to know what to tell a Shenmue hater online.
In person the best thing to do is keep spamming them with Crescent Kicks until they fall down,
then walk away singing the theme music.
Laa la la la laaa, la laa laaa....