Good interview on the above positions:
http://www.uscatholic.org/node/5076
Thief wrote: Was Einstein a Christian? I had thought he believed in Spinoza's conception of God.
shredingskin wrote:
@Unholy There's no reason why atheism should take into account anything, it's not a set of beliefs, it's a lack of belief in deities, nothing more, nothing less. Even if some "professional atheists" dwelve in those realms. There's no need to explain why someone is an atheist when the reason is in the word, "because I don't believe in deities" is a valid answer.
shredingskin wrote: @South and Himuro
I paint with big strokes, because it's the level of abstraction I think it requires, I guess there are christians that believe that god is an alien from xenex or whatever. And it meshes with the science thing that Himuro said, there have been quite a lot of scientific personalities that were killed by the religious institutions as heretics (some even already posted), no matter what the individual inclination was (and I say it's not relevant, because those institutions are somewhat a reflection of what the societal doctrine was, specially for religion that being chained to old books changes more slowly that the conduct codes/morality of a societal needs).
Himuro wrote:I think most atheist arguments are poor.
UnHoly Bible wrote:Oh ok, yeah I was more thinking in the context of the big ol image of "imagine no religion" in my face scrolling down the page.
shredingskin wrote:Himuro wrote:I think most atheist arguments are poor.
It's a simple burden of proof, and let me say this straight, most of the time the real reason is "because I want to". At a personality level both the believe of god and the lack of it, gives the person the sense of "knowing", and with that notion is easier to travel the path of living. Some people find the lack of a god comforting in the meaning that we are what we are and we get what we get. Some religious people also feel the same, but think of a non interventionist god that is so interventionist that is basically the same if it didn't exist. And some people find the believe in a god comforting.
For me is very simple to be atheist, simply because "god" is such a bullshit term that encompass "everything" and means nothing (and needs to be painstaking-timeconsuming endeavor to address in individual matters).
We are fucking thrown into the world that is full of danger, and aware of our mortality, different people cope with it by different means.UnHoly Bible wrote:Oh ok, yeah I was more thinking in the context of the big ol image of "imagine no religion" in my face scrolling down the page.
I do think that no religious societies can exist, look at countries, you follow the rules (law) not because there's a god, but because it's tacitally agreed that they're in place to benefit you while not benefitting any/everybody else. Even if you don't believe that the state can/will guarantee that, there are institutions set in place to enforce those rules, and you can take a gamble on it.
south carmain wrote:Thief wrote: Was Einstein a Christian? I had thought he believed in Spinoza's conception of God.
He wasn't Christian, I was using him as an example of an ethnic Jew who was also a prominent scientist that didn't believe in the Jewish Bible.
shredingskin wrote:Today I think that religion divides people more than it unites
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