LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby Chaikilla » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:35 am

Chai's is probably not gay by choice. His frequent crack abuse (no pun intended) probably makes him more sexually uninhibited but that's about it. Lan Di Sama's got the goods he needs and he's got needs. It's a fair trade if you ask me.

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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby ShenGCH » Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:04 pm

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Himuro wrote: I'm lgbt and I have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, I find Dou Niu and Yuan's relationship great because no one questions it. It's treated as something pretty normal and a total side thing for both of the characters beyond their portrayals as antagonists. In fact, I'd say they're the first positive lgbt couple I can think I ever experienced in a game and I still think they're an overall positive representation. Did we play the same game?


Forgive me, I'm a little tipsy, listening to third strike's soundtrack.

Yes fool we're playing the same game. I've been playing Shenmue since I was 10 on the dreamcast back in 01.

My point was why did they have to be villains and work for the Chiyomen?

Also why the fuck was Yuan censored in the North American release? Smh.

Well, why was Liu-san's cigarette removed in the NTSC version of the game? Why was the statue of Mary holding Jesus changed to Mary with her hands crossing her chest in the Thousand White Convent? Why was Hassan's headdress removed in the western versions of the game? Censorship has, and always will be, ridiculous, favouring the minority over the majority, and just because you happen to fall into a category personally relating to a specific piece of censorship doesn't mean you need to get all sensitive over the fact two baddies happen to be homosexual, even though it has literally no impact on their overall existence or (as you seem to be pushing) sinister implications whatsoever.

Get over yourself, dude.
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby shredingskin » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:20 pm

Didn't know about those other changes.

lol japanese must think the west is full of idiots (and this thread proves them right).
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby ys » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:53 pm

It's not that they necessarily think that. Sometimes they're not even aware of it. Usually it's overseas offices who want to change things because they're afraid that it would affect sales. So they try to adapt to a specific market and what they see as sensibilities of a majority in that area.
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby SMDzero » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:11 pm

The truth is that Iwao Hazuki and Sunming Zhao were engaging in gay man sex in Meng Cun!

THAT is the terrible TRUTH which will be revealed in Shenmue 3!
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby shredingskin » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:21 pm

I can start hearing the backlash about niao sun.

Hopefully all this inferior people don't affect their creative freedom.
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby ShenGCH » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:01 am

shredingskin wrote: I can start hearing the backlash about niao sun.

Hopefully all this inferior people don't affect their creative freedom.

Niao Sun is a leading member of an extremely powerful Chinese cartel; an exceptional combatant and master of the Fist-Dagger Mantis style; and is adept at playing mind games with her opponents in order to gain an advantage and achieve her objective. With these things in mind, Niao Sun is the definition of a strong female character.

...but she has big boobs, so she's being objectified by the patriarchy!

I'm really surprised the whole "Shenmue III can't promise 60fps, but can promise 'cute' and 'sexy' girls" thing didn't send the internet nuclear. I don't know the dude personally, but I think Yu Suzuki is the sort of person who simply creates whatever the heck he wants, and doesn't pay attention to nonsense politics and such, but the proof will be in the pudding.
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby Himuro » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:23 am

shredingskin wrote: I can start hearing the backlash about niao sun.

Hopefully all this inferior people don't affect their creative freedom.


I doubt anyone will care. Women can have big breasts. You're making controversy where there is none.
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby shredingskin » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:52 am

In real world ? Yeah.

In clickbait media ? No. And sometimes that media has pretty good reach to generate an "opinion" on "people".
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby shengoro86 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:54 pm

I recall Dory Gordie being gay. The final arm wrestler. He is extremely hard to defeat. So there is an example of a strong and not sinister homosexual in the series.

Not to mention that I do not understand the argument. A straight man was murdered in the intro of the game. Would it be double standard for me to not get mad that it was ok to murder straight white men?

In my personal opinion, all humans are humans, regardless of gender, sexual oritentation, spoken language, etc. Not sure why this topic sparks so much hatred for something.

That being said, I respect your opinion, as all should, even though we have different thought processes on this.

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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby ShenGCH » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:29 pm

Himuro wrote:
shredingskin wrote: I can start hearing the backlash about niao sun.

Hopefully all this inferior people don't affect their creative freedom.

I doubt anyone will care. Women can have big breasts. You're making controversy where there is none.

You'd be surprised by some of the complete and utter nonsense these people will pick up and misconstrue into oblivion, big breasts and all. No matter what you do, you simply can't win with them. It's sad, really.
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby SMDzero » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:43 pm

I am a loud and proud social justice warrior!

I think Shenmue is also racist because almost everyone is asian!

Where is the equal representation of whites, blacks, native americas, and latinos???

I want a multicultural Shenmue dammit!!!!!!
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby south carmain » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:32 pm

SMDzero wrote:Where is the equal representation of whites

Get out of here you fucking neo-nazi.
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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby Mr357 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:35 pm

south carmain wrote:
SMDzero wrote:Where is the equal representation of whites

Get out of here you fucking neo-nazi.


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Re: LGBT-Homophobia Characters/Storylines (Censorship)

Postby shredingskin » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:52 am

shengoro86 wrote:
In my personal opinion, all humans are humans.

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But really, not having in mind the problems that affect certain people is just passive racism, and can be as hurtful (if not more) than actual racism.
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