TailsAndy89 wrote:wait... i thought tiger swallow was Zhao Sun Ming's style. that does not mean tht Lan Di's is.
Zhao Sun Ming was supposedly Lan Di's father, and part of a long line of ancestry that teaches Tiger Swallow. It's only common sense that Lan Di would be next in that line, and that he was taught by his father. This also proves that Zhao Sun Ming must have been killed fairly recently, as in the last 10-15 years, or else Lan Di wouldn't have been able to fully master the style without his father's guidance (he's only 30-something).
However, I don't think Lan Di was there to witness his father's death, as others speculate. I believe there were other witnesses to the battle. Witnesses that most likely skewed to Zhao's side of things, and told Lan Di of his father's death in the most glorifying manner in respect to his father. This would pin Iwao, presuming he killed him, as the "bad" guy, and thus initiate a vow to kill under the guise of avenging Zhao's death. Much in the same way as Ryo's story.
Skillz wrote:if you read my above posts you can see what i said and i said i have lots of theories.... and this is one of them but the one i stick to sinc ei cannot be relaized as the old man said is that ryos dad could have defended himself and got away or knocke dout those guards completely, it i just that he did not want to show off any moves and definatley not to ryo basicly so he would not see the old man who was homless said that. iowa just did not want to have ryo see him in a different light than that he wa sin, it would shatter his image of him. do we know what happened in china? with him. maybe he wa sdoing what ryo wa sdoing but greater? right ok??????? maybe there was a reaosn for him going exatcly. but back to what i was saying. his dad knew more moves he could of defende himself, he did not want to show thme off reaosn being to show he was the bette rman and mostly it was so ryo could see him in his preserved image. not the way he could have shown him he was like. it is not a basis of story. or how it wa ssupposed ot b. iowa could have defende dhim self he did not it was not cuz of ryo , did u not hear i said i have more thn soone thoerie and i am sticking to this one. you cannot tell me what to think. hippocrite. plus i wa shaving a conversation with people who like to post thier theories hear as soon as i post in here you come me and thes people have alot in common we like to think. i looke din this thread and i see u neve rposte din it stop looking for trouble man and ge tout of it.
besisdes back to what i said, the homlessman showed ryo the move he foun out his dad could have defende him self but he did not. the homlessman told him why? which if you playe part one you would understand. then came this, he finds a scroll in his house and beside that fact, he finds out his father went to china and knew various moves. thus and thus. which really impacted ryo and what th homlessman said to him and it always will. the homlessman said what he said ryo goes to chin and finds out his dad knew all this crap which means he could have fought well agianst landi, it was the matte of showing who was the better man and he did not want to shattre rhis image of what ryo saw im as. And that was as his ROLE-MODEL vgace. thats why he did not fight or showoff the moves. i am pertaining it to the story and that he could have fought landi off but he did not. i am not saying he should no have died, it was a good thing that he died. there would be no opening theme.
but i looke dat it the same way then i go farther into part 1 and see his dad knew more moves and defenses but did not use them, which was stated by the homless man. and ryo still did not understand.
"yeah i used to be like that and say how look how this game starts his father gets his ass kicked for killing a chinese man back in the day ha ha ha"
then i find out........ he could have defende him self so i cam eup with reaosns why he did not. thne the homeless man tells ryo why. and it wa sbasicly what i just said vgace he did nt want to show off because he wa the bette man. i am not saying anything about the begining scene, only tha he did not fight to his potiential and did not want to fight back. and thus he die din the beginning i would not change the beginning for the world ok? the beginning starte dlike it should have but there wa sa mystery to how it started..........ok? even when i sai dur dad sucks ryo lol, i go farthe rinto the game and say holy shit he ould have defend him self so i got interste din it and thr homless man says why thne i get fathe rinto part 1 and thne i play part two for xbox and i feel more ease what the od homless man said was true he could have fought landi but he did not. he wanted to show who was the bette rman and keep his image as it was. for ryo's sake. and thats is what ryo failed ot notice evne though that old man told him that he took him till part two to undertsand the full meaning of those words.
nothing to do with the begining, but it does have todo with the story, he could have defend him self he did not, and that is that.
Skillz, I agree with you that Iwao could have defended himself much better. In fact, a monkey with one hand tied behind it's back could have fought better than Iwao that day. But to say Iwao threw the fight, and allowed himself to be
killed to set an example for Ryo is
ridiculous! How, in any conceivable notion, does defending yourself "tarnish" your image? What kind of role model, as you say, just rolls over and dies? There is no "showing off" in a life and death battle, and there is no being the "better man." You fight to the best of your ability, and if you're the superior warrior, you shall prevail. There is no dishonor in defending yourself, or defending your
family! Seriously, just listen to yourself for a second.
What you're saying is that Iwao didn't want to show off moves or kill Lan Di because it would shatter Ryo's impression of him. He didn't want Ryo to see the cold-natured, killer side of his father. Right? Now stop and think of just how many things are wrong with that statement. For one, losing the fight would put not only Ryo, but the rest of the household in danger. Lan Di and his thugs had
already harmed Ine-san and Fuku-san, and then Ryo as well. What's not to say they wouldn't kill them next? Secondly, in losing the fight Iwao left the household alone. He had a family that loved him, and he loved them back. How can it be considered at all rational to purposely lose a fight and leave them all alone? Provided he never swore vengeance, can you imagine how that would devastate Ryo? Or Ine-san? Or Fuku-san? Would
you want to see your father die, just for the sake of keeping your "impression" of him pure? Now think about that, then think about what you're saying.
Skillz wrote:did u not hear i said i have more thn soone thoerie and i am sticking to this one. you cannot tell me what to think. hippocrite. plus i wa shaving a conversation with people who like to post thier theories hear as soon as i post in here you come me and thes people have alot in common we like to think. i looke din this thread and i see u neve rposte din it stop looking for trouble man and ge tout of it.
I could only understand about half of this statement, but I'll acknowledge the parts I got. I never
told you what to think, and I don't see how stating a counter-point is being hypocritical (learn to spell, BTW). I also don't roam the forum looking for every post you make, just to come and slap it down, as you seem to think. I have more of a life than
that. I never posted in this thread before because I never saw anything I disagreed with. But your theories I
did disagree with. And believe it or not, it wasn't because they were written by you! It's awfully arrogant to think people like myself hang on to your every word just so we can put you down, which I don't. I have never personally insulted you, nor have I ever looked for trouble. The only thing you could
possibly be insulted by is the fact that I've asked you multiple times to clean up your grammar. But that's called constructive criticism,
not an insult. People are likely to read more of your posts if they can actually understand them. As it is, it's easier to read Japanese than one of your posts. And I hate to tell you, but your "that's the way I type" excuse is stupid. Typing involves forming complete thoughts, words, sentences, and paragraphs. What you do is not typing - all you do is push your fingers in the general direction of the key you wish to press, usually resulting in 3-4 unnecessary letters in the process.
Why do you take
everything someone says so personally? You've done it with me and you've done it with mike. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they dislike you or are insulting you. Forums are meant for discussion and debate, and if you can't get over the fact that maybe, just
maybe not everyone agrees with you, then you shouldn't bother posting here anymore. If that's the way you feel about things, life in a cave might be better suited to you than this.
One final point...
Skillz wrote:besisdes back to what i said, the homlessman showed ryo the move he foun out his dad could have defende him self but he did not. the homlessman told him why? which if you playe part one you would understand.
I
have played part one. I've completed it nine times in fact. I've devoted more time to Chapter One than other people have devoted to PSO. I've personally endeavored to record every secret, both obvious and non-obvious. I've spent hours upon hours on writing and editing guides for the game. I do it because I love the game. So do
not question my experience with Shenmue, because I guarantee I know more than you could possibly imagine.