Bluecast wrote: Kenny wrote: As was John Carter and Conan and look how well those recent entries did.
Those were more obscure. Everyone knows Superman,Batman and such as much as Mickey Mouse and Mario these days
Not really. Especially Conan which was relatively popular in the '80s. And i'm not disputing Superman or Batman, it's everyone else. Superman and Batman had films released sporadically since the '70s and '80s. Everyone knows them. Again, who really knows about Flash, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman? The last thing WW had was a show in the '70s and its only recent development was a failed non-aired pilot.
The only real edge WW & crew have is that they have a presence in the animated world but who outside kids and older fans know those exist in the mainstream? The everyday person walking down the street? That's my ultimate point. All films after Iron Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe were hits before the mega-hit of them all, Avengers. In order for this thing to gain any real traction they have to release at least one film before the Justice League movie and it has to be a hit. And for it to be a hit, it has to do two things:
1. Make people in the modern world more aware Wonder Woman, Flash, and the others exist.
2. Make them riveting by kicking lots of ass, have them LOOK cool, and have equally cool villains so people give a damn.
Superman isn't as cool as Iron Man or even Batman (something Man of Steel has to fix). And Batman just came out of one of the most successful runs of all time. People are going to have a hard time being sold another DIFFERENT Batman so soon, it's incredibly risky. Especially a Batman that may no longer be rooted to reality, who has to co-exist with lots of super beings. If Nolan's Batman was never made, it might've had a much better chance cause people wanted to forget Schumacher's Batman. Now we're being told to forget Nolan's Batman? Good luck with that one, Warner Bros.
All the key members in the Avengers had something awesome about them that made them cool and relevant in today's world. Even goofy motherfuckers like Cap. America and Thor were able to be retooled to work. I need to be proved wrong here and be convinced Flash and Wonder Woman can be awesome and interesting by themselves. If that can be done, then a Justice League movie will really give Avengers a run for its money.