The new Legacy of Kain is here!

[Mitsuzuki]

I only ever played Soul Reaver but I really enjoyed it, although I'm still yet to complete it due to my Dreamcast dying on me.

Same, although I did complete it. What an amazing game it is. Voice acting was absolute top-notch; both now and even more so back in the day.

[Kenny]

DmC had good ideas and it actually did stay true to character of Dante, despite a few changes. It only failed cause the fans willed it so since the first concept art came out. The final game is nowhere near DMC2's failure, that was a catastrophe.

Instead of wasting my time rallying against Nosgoth, I'm just gonna ignore it until it proves itself. Like I did with DmC initially.

[OL]

Instead of wasting my time rallying against Nosgoth, I'm just gonna ignore it until it proves itself.

That's pretty much how I feel about it. It's an MMO, and it has nothing to do with Kain, the motherfucking Scion of Balance... it's basically not even "Legacy of Kain" based on those characteristics.
I'm actually really happy with what we have of the LoK series (it's pretty well-rounded as an almost complete story, really), so if it doesn't ever continue, I can live with it. And if they choose to make something like this? I can happily ignore it.

[Bluecast]

DmC had good ideas and it actually did stay true to character of Dante, despite a few changes. It only failed cause the fans willed it so since the first concept art came out. The final game is nowhere near DMC2's failure, that was a catastrophe.

Instead of wasting my time rallying against Nosgoth, I'm just gonna ignore it until it proves itself. Like I did with DmC initially.

DmC failed because it stripped away everything that was true to DMC and Dante and then the devs alienated the fans plus Capcom is good at pissing off fans of beloved series AND their creators. You never ever take away a fanbase,blame the fans for a game cancellation. Tell fans we want new casual fans and not the est ones like capcom has drectly in words. Then they wonder why it failed. RE and Mikami,DMC and Kamyia,Mega Man and Inafune. Hell Mighty no 9 is at 2.5 million$ Capcom just responds with a kickstarter of it's own. Mega Man the board game. Mikami was pissed about RE4 on PS2,and Capcom later fired him. Kamiya was unhappy with DmC and said they took away what made Dante. Inafune is showing his response right now. They have no clue. Then look at LP3. They chose that over many of the game fans been asking. LP3 is a total flop. (not to mention one of these generic grr I'm a grizzled vet and I love my wife but this rig is all I got nowyou dig youngster! storylines)

So yes Capcom plus all these studios they hire. Have no clue and do not get it.(Except for Wayforward who is beyond excellent and that IS the dev to do Mega Man but Capcom just can't see it)

[OL]

I actually think Lost Planet 3 looks pretty cool. Not a launch-buy, but I want to try it eventually.
Oh, and Inti Creates are the ones who should be doing a new Megaman. Wayforward is cool and all, but I honestly don't want a westernized Megaman. And yes, it would end up westernized.

[MiTT3NZ]

I never really understood the hate towards DmC. Surely it's a good thing that you're getting a fresh, new take on a character? Without character/franchise evolution, we would never have The Dark Knight Returns or the original TMNT cartoon or Sonic Adventure. If they didn't wrap up the story of the original series, then yeah, that's a bit fuckin shit of em, but reboots or taking a series out of it's comfort zone doesn't necessarily lead to a bad thing. Take Conviction, for example. Hated it as a Splinter Cell game, but it's still one of my favourite games this gen. Sometimes you just have to appreciate different interpretations for what they are as opposed to what they're not.

[Bluecast]

I actually think Lost Planet 3 looks pretty cool. Not a launch-buy, but I want to try it eventually.
Oh, and Inti Creates are the ones who should be doing a new Megaman. Wayforward is cool and all, but I honestly don't want a westernized Megaman. And yes, it would end up westernized.

Not really. Ducktales,Mighty Switch Force,Shantae. Wayforward IS Capcom of the 90's even without their IP's. Play more of their games. They are seriously what Capcom was in the 90's. Esp Genesis/SNES era They really keep that spirit. One of the best devs out there right now. Renegade Kid is on the path to maybe become the next Wayforward.

Also inti is playing a big part in Mighty no 9. Today they showed concepts for Dr White..replacing Dr Light

[Kenny]

With nothing but negative press since its inception, it was either destined to succeed based on notoriety or fail. In this case, I guess it failed but so did Tomb Raider and Hitman by those estimates.

Besides, I don't get the point of mentioning DmC over and over and over and over and over and over and over again even if this time it's relevant to a degree. I recognize its flaws but thought it was a good enough experience, but then I moved on. Even with MGR, which I thought was terrible on some levels, I got over it and moved on. And i'm a huge MGS fan.

I never really understood the hate towards DmC. Surely it's a good thing that you're getting a fresh, new take on a character? Without character/franchise evolution, we would never have The Dark Knight Returns or the original TMNT cartoon or Sonic Adventure. If they didn't wrap up the story of the original series, then yeah, that's a bit fuckin shit of em, but reboots or taking a series out of it's comfort zone doesn't necessarily lead to a bad thing. Take Conviction, for example. Hated it as a Splinter Cell game, but it's still one of my favourite games this gen. Sometimes you just have to appreciate different interpretations for what they are as opposed to what they're not.

I still think DmC didn't deviate THAT much from the character of Dante. In DMC3, he was just as bratty and cocky. Only difference aside from hair and attire was that he didn't cuss or flip the bird. That's it, really.

The only superb DMC game is the first one anyway. That's the only one I love to play over and over again.

[OL]

I think the general consensus was that DMC just... didn't need to be rebooted. It was great at what it did, and the fans just wanted more of that. Some tweaks and changes, little things to keep the gameplay new and fresh would all have been fine. That's what they'd been doing, and it was great. But a completely new take on it? A westernization?
This isn't like Batman, where the character has been around for several decades.
It was unnecessary. And the part that I think bothered people most was that it was intended to replace the old series. Meaning we wouldn't be seeing "classic Dante" anymore. Imagine if DC said "fuck the old Batman" and did all of the comics focusing strictly on the Gotham By Gaslight version. It's not that Gotham By Gaslight is bad, it's that you wouldn't necessarily want it in place of the classic version. You'd want both side-by-side, if that was how it had to be.
And that certainly wasn't going to happen with the two Dante's.

[Bluecast]

OL seriously put aside your dislike for her character..not a fan myself but Bayonetta is seriously excellent and the evolution of DMC in gameplay. She isn't all that bad of a character but I as well hate the taffy looking design. Like wind Waker at first it can be jarring but you tend to forget that rather quick. IMO all the enemy designs are great. Still the gameplay is the main focus and it's a joy. Forget the demo. Demo can throw anyone off and it's not a great demo. Also when you do,36o version. Bayonetta would be severely crippled by frame rate drops like on PS3.

[Kenny]

Which I would've understood but by DMC4, the series just grew stale. I didn't even finish it cause I was just getting so bored with it. Maybe the same people would've kept buying the same game over and over, but I never questioned a reboot for that reason. I just didn't care for the reboot itself until after all that unnecessary lol-worthy backlash, then I had to try it out.

And in the end, it's not that bad of a game. Was it necessary? Did it deviate too much? Probably not, but judging it on its own merits it's solid. They could've gotten rid of some things to make the experience even better. Besides, Classic Dante can't be erased. It's impossible.

[MiTT3NZ]

And on a related note, there's always a way back. Sonic's the best example here. Sure, he didn't go through a complete reboot, but the series had a major overhaul, what with the design changes, introduction to 3D, differing playstyles, etc., but it's returning to 2D (or at least merging the best of blistering-pace 3D with the classic side-scrolling thrown in for good measure)

This is the great thing about fiction and media in general. Old Dante could well return. They're based in worlds that are whimsical enough to be different universes/dimensions or whatever, in the same way that DC continued their old universe alongside post-Crisis via the "Earth-2" tag. And with it not being the "main" series any longer, it freed up the writers in terms of creativity.

It may not happen for a while, hell it may not happen at all, but if it does, Old Dante's relegation to a "sub-series" could end up being the best thing for all parties.

[Bluecast]

We did get old Dante back but only in Project X Zone...also Bruce Willis

[MiTT3NZ]

Well then, there you go. He still "exists", he just doesn't have any main series entries atm.

[mrslig100]

Played em all, loved em to pieces.
This isn't gonna be a proper game,
Its a studio that's found the body in
The lake, and are trying to poke it
to see if it squirms.
If it does, they can sell it back to the
Circus.